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“Music Monday” The Killers

The Killers – Human

The Killers – Read My Mind

The Killers – All These Things That I’ve Done

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The Killers

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Not to be confused with The Kills.
The Killers

The Killers in concert
Background information
Origin Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Genres Indie rock,[1] [2] [2] heartland rock[3]
Years active 2001–present
Labels Island, Vertigo, Marrakesh
Website thekillersmusic.com
Members
Brandon Flowers
Dave Keuning
Mark Stoermer
Ronnie Vannucci, Jr.

The Killers are an American rock band that was formed in Las Vegas, Nevada in 2001, by Brandon Flowers (lead vocals, keyboards) and Dave Keuning (guitar, backing vocals). Mark Stoermer (bass, backing vocals) and Ronnie Vannucci Jr. (drums, percussion) would complete the current line-up of the band in 2002. The name The Killers is derived from a logo on the bass drum of a fictitious band, portrayed in the music video for the New Order song “Crystal“.[4]

The group has released four studio albums, Hot Fuss (2004), Sam’s Town (2006), Day & Age (2008) and Battle Born (2012).[5] They have also released one compilation album, Sawdust (2007) and one live album titled Live from the Royal Albert Hall (2009). To date, the band has sold over 6 million albums in the United States, over 5 million albums in the United Kingdom, and a total of 16 million worldwide.[6]

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[edit] History

[edit] 2001–03: Origins and formation

In 2001, Brandon Flowers was abandoned by his first band, a Las Vegas synthpop trio known as Blush Response,[4] after he declined to move with them to Los Angeles. After seeing Oasis play at the Hard Rock Hotel during the band’s The Tour of Brotherly Love, Flowers realized his calling was to be in a rock band and began searching for like-minded musicians. He eventually came across an ad posted in a Las Vegas newspaper by Dave Keuning, a 25 year-old guitarist who had moved to Vegas from Iowa a year earlier; the pair shared similar musical influences and soon began writing songs together in Keuning’s apartment. By the end of 2001, they had recorded a demo at Kill The Messenger Studio in Henderson, Nevada; the demo featured four tracks including early versions of “Mr. Brightside” and “Under the Gun”. Local drummer Matt Norcross played drums on the demo while Dell Neal, who was Keuning’s roommate at the time, covered bass on two of the tracks. Keuning and Flowers played their first live show together at an open mic night at the Cafe Espresso Roma in Las Vegas in January 2002; the pair, joined by Neal and Norcross, began playing numerous venues around Las Vegas where they would also hand out free copies of their demo.[7] The Killers brought a unique style to the small Vegas music scene which was predominately filled with punk, nu metal, and rap bands, one local reviewer stated “The Killers, thankfully, don’t come across like any other band in town” and described their sound as a mix between the “pop styles of British music and the lo-fi fuzz of modern indie rock.”.[8] However, The Killers, whose early live sound was also described as erratic, had, by the summer of 2002, fired drummer Matt Norcross and replaced him briefly with Brian Havens, who also was eventually fired. Bassist Dell Neal later left the band due to personal reasons.[7]

Drummer Ronnie Vannucci, Jr. and bass player Mark Stoermer were members of other bands who regularly played on the same bills as The Killers, both were eventually persuaded to join Keuning and Flowers and by November 2002, the band’s current line up was complete. The four of them began practising in Vannucci’s garage as he was the only member who owned a house. They would also sneak into the band room of UNLV (where Vannucci was studying percussion) at night to practice. The band claimed that they wrote much of the debut album Hot Fuss during these sessions including the hit single “Somebody Told Me“.[9]

The band continued playing at small venues in Las Vegas, where they built a small but loyal following. Talent scout Braden Merrick spotted the band after hearing one of their demos on a website dedicated to local unsigned bands,[10] and after attending a few of their live shows he offered to become the band’s manager. He took the band to the San Francisco area, to Berkeley, California, to record demos with former Green Day manager Jeff Saltzman and mix engineer Mark Needham, they then sent the demo tapes to major record labels in the US. Most of the record labels turned them down, but one company, Warner Bros. Records, invited them to perform at a showcase. Though Warner Bros. was not impressed by the band after the showcase, the band did catch the eye of Niall Norbury,[11] who was from the United Kingdom. Norbury took the band’s demo back to the UK with him, playing it for friend Ben Durling, who worked at UK indie label Lizard King Records. The Killers signed with the British label in July 2003.[12]

[edit] 2003–06: Hot Fuss

On August 19, 2003, the song “Mr. Brightside” premiered on DJ Zane Lowe‘s BBC Radio 1 show in the UK.[13] The Killers then travelled to London and began to play shows in bars and clubs, and critical reviews were generally positive. On September 29, 2003, they released the song “Mr. Brightside” on a limited number of CDs and vinyl records in the UK. As a result of the buzz generated in the UK, upon returning to America, they were invited to play at the ASCAP CMJ Music Marathon in New York City.[14] A number of labels showed interest in the band, and they eventually signed with the record company Island Def Jam in early 2004.[9]

The band’s Hot Fuss Tour started in the UK in May 2004. Prior to that, the band had played support slots for British Sea Power in the UK, Morrissey in the US and Stellastarr in both the UK and US; during the spring and summer of 2004, the group played much-praised sets at festivals across Europe and North America which helped add to their growing fanbase.[15]

The Killers released their debut album Hot Fuss in June 2004 in the United Kingdom on Lizard King Records and in the United States on Island Records.[16] Extensive touring and a number of hit singles led to the album becoming a huge commercial success. Hot Fuss reached Number 1 in the UK in January 2005, seven months after its release, and has been classified 6x Platinum by the BPI.[17] It also reached the top spot in Australia, where it was certified 3x Platinum, and has also been certified 3x Platinum in the United States and Canada.[18] On the UK version of Hot Fuss, “Glamorous Indie Rock and Roll” replaces “Change Your Mind” as track 8.

The band had success with “Mr. Brightside“, which became the band’s first Top 10 hit in both the UK and US,[19]All These Things That I’ve Done,”[20]Somebody Told Me,” and “Smile Like You Mean It.”[16]

In 2005, The Killers were nominated for three Grammy Awards; Hot Fuss was nominated for Best Rock Album while “Somebody Told Me” was nominated for two awards including Best Rock Song, in the UK they won an NME Award for Best International Band.

In July 2005, The Killers performed on the London stage of the Live 8 concert, playing “All These Things That I’ve Done”. Robbie Williams incorporated the song’s refrain “I’ve got soul but I’m not a soldier” into his own performance.[21] Coldplay and U2 followed suit and, at their separate concerts played in Las Vegas, with The Killers in the crowd, incorporated the line into their songs “God Put a Smile Upon Your Face” and “Beautiful Day“, respectively.[22]

[edit] 2006–08: Sam’s Town and Sawdust

The Killers’ second album, Sam’s Town, was released in October 2006 under Island Def Jam Music Group.[23] Brandon Flowers said that Sam’s Town would be “one of the best albums of the past twenty years”.[24] It received a mixed response with some praising the album and others mocking it. However, Rolling Stone ranked Sam’s Town as the number one underrated album of the decade. The album sold over 706,000 copies worldwide in the first week of release, with a number two debut on the Billboard chart.[25] The record has been certified 4x Platinum in the United Kingdom, Platinum in the United States, and 2x Platinum in both Australia and Canada. The album produced four singles: “When You Were Young” (Platinum in the United States, Diamond in Brazil), “Bones“, “Read My Mind” and “For Reasons Unknown“.

The Killers recorded a live session at Abbey Road Studios for Live from Abbey Road on November 29, 2006.[26] They performed an almost totally unplugged set, which included a rendition of the Dire Straits hit “Romeo and Juliet“. In December 2006 the band released a Christmas charity song (the first of what would become an annual tradition), “A Great Big Sled“, which benefited Product Red.

In February 2007, The Killers attended the BRIT Awards in the United Kingdom, where they performed “When You Were Young“. The band won two awards — Best International Group & International Album.[27] In the same month the band’s Tim Burton directed video for Bones won Best Video at the NME Awards. During the Sam’s Town Tour The Killers headlined Madison Square Garden for the first time as well as Glastonbury Festival.[28]

The band released a compilation album called Sawdust, containing B-sides, rarities, and unreleased material, in November 2007. Sawdust has been classified Platinum by the BPI.[29] The album’s first single “Tranquilize“, a collaboration with Lou Reed, was released in October 2007.[29] The first pressing of Sawdust contained a rare demo version of “Move Away” which Brandon Flowers later stated was a mistake on the part of the band’s record label; the proper version the group intended to put on the album was previously available on the Spider-Man 3 soundtrack is included on later pressings of Sawdust.[30]

In 2008 the band picked up two awards in the first NME Awards USA, including “Best Band” and “Best Track” for “Tranquilize”. “Sawdust” was also nominated for best album.

[edit] 2008–11: Day & Age and hiatus

The song “Spaceman” was released as band’s third studio album Day & Age on November 4, 2008. This song was number 17 on Rolling Stone‘s list of the 100 Best Songs of 2008.[1] The song has been used regularly as the opening song during the band’s tour.The group began performing the song at shows during their Summer 2008 tour and played it as part of a two-song set on the October 4, 2008 episode of Saturday Night Live. They also performed the song on November 4, 2008 on BBC2’s Later… with Jools Holland.

The Killers performing in September 2009 in the United States

The Killers’ third album, Day & Age, was released on November 24, 2008 in the UK and November 25, 2008 in North America. They worked with Stuart Price who did the Thin White Duke remix of “Mr Brightside” and produced “Leave the Bourbon on the Shelf” and “Sweet Talk”. The first single from the album was “Human” which was released on September 22 and has been certified Platinum by the RIAA.[31] Day & Age became the band’s third studio album to reach number one in both the UK and Ireland, it reached number six on the Billboard 200 album chart.[32] It has also been certified 4x Platinum by the BPI.

In February 2009, the band won Best International band at the NME Awards for the third time following wins in 2005 & 2008. Later, they were awarded the ASCAP Awards‘ highest honor, the Vanguard Award, for their musical genre’s “impact on the future of American music”.[33] During the summer of 2009, The Killers headlined a number of festivals across Europe including the Friday night show of 2009’s Hard Rock Calling in Hyde Park, London, they also headlined American festivals Lollapalooza and Coachella for the first time. On July 5–6 at the Royal Albert Hall, London The Killers recorded their first live DVD, “Live from the Royal Albert Hall“. It was released in November and played at various cinemas across the globe. Live from Royal Albert Hall was certified 4x Platinum by the BPI (UK) and Platinum by the RIAA (US).

After the release of Day & Age, the band embarked on the worldwide Day & Age Tour from 2008 to 2010. The tour was a huge success, with sold-out shows both domestically and internationally. It also marked the first time The Killers played on the continent of Africa.

In late February 2010, Flowers’ mother died after a two year fight with brain cancer. This resulted in a premature closing of their Day & Age tour and cancellation of dates in Asia. Two Australian dates in Sydney and Perth were also cancelled; however, both the Gold Coast and Melbourne concerts went ahead, with the Day & Age tour finally coming to a close in Melbourne on February 21 as the headline act at the Good Vibrations Festival at Flemington Racecourse.[34]

In January 2010, the band announced that they would take a short break after being on the road for the better part of six years.[35][36] The break lasted for about a year-and-a-half, during which band members devoted themselves on solo projects, while the band made sporadic other contributions.

[edit] 2011–present: Return and Battle Born

The band returned to the stage in 2011 when they headlined the new International Lollapalooza Festival in Santiago, Chile on April 2, 2011.[37] They also performed at the season closing Top of the Mountain concert in Ischgl, Austria on April 30, 2011.[38] They headlined for the second time Hard Rock Calling in Hyde Park, London on June 24, 2011.[39] The Killers were the inaugural headliner of the new Orlando Calling Festival in Orlando, FL on November 12, 2011.[40]

The band began work on their fourth studio album[41] in May 2011 at their Las Vegas studio.[42] After a year of recording the Killers revealed in May 2012 that their fourth studio album will be titled Battle Born.[43] During recording, the band worked with producers Steve Lillywhite, Damian Taylor, Brendan O’Brien, Stuart Price and Daniel Lanois.[43] The album was mixed by Alan Moulder, who also worked on the band’s first two albums,[44] and was released on September 18, 2012 (released on September 14, 2012 in New Zealand and Australia). In April 2012, saxophonist Tommy Marth committed suicide. Marth had contributed to Sam’s Town and Day & Age, as well as touring with the band.[45]

In June 2012, The Killers released a trailer for their new album Battle Born.[46] The first single from the album was “Runaways“. It was voted the Best Song of Summer 2012 by Rolling Stone Magazine readers. The album had the third highest opening week in the UK for 2012 albums and became the band’s fourth No. 1 album in the UK (Brandon Flowers’ fifth). It was voted the #2 album of 2012 by Rolling Stone Magazine readers, with single “Miss Atomic Bomb” voted the ‘Best Song of 2012’ in the accompanying poll.[47]

The Killers headlined several festivals in North America and Europe in summer 2012, including the UK’s V Festival and Sziget Festival in Hungary.[48] The band will be headlining the 2013 Big Day Out music festival in Australia.[49]

On June 22 2013, the band are set to perform at the 90,000 capacity Wembley Stadium as one of the final concerts of the Battle Born World Tour; it will be their biggest show to date.

[edit] Contributions and solo work

The Killers own and operate Battle Born Studios where members recorded Battle Born, Day & Age, Flamingo, Big Talk and Another Life. Other artists who have recorded there include Mötley Crüe, Elton John, Imagine Dragons, Jerry Lee Lewis, BB King, Wayne Newton, as well as members of Third Eye Blind, Aerosmith, and Kansas.

The song “A White Demon Love Song” was added to the New Moon soundtrack. The band also performed a tune called “Spaceship Adventure” on Nickelodeon’s Yo Gabba Gabba, where the group were referred to simply as “Brandon, Ronnie, Mark and Dave”, as opposed to “The Killers”, in order to be more suitable for young children.[50]

The band recorded a cover of the Raspberries‘ song “Go All the Way” for Tim Burton‘s film Dark Shadows (an adaptation of the late 1960s gothic soap opera), which plays over the end credits, however the song does not appear on the film’s soundtrack.[51]

In October 2011, The Killers contributed a cover of “Ultraviolet (Light My Way)” to a cover album of U2’s acclaimed 1991 album Achtung Baby. The cover album, titled AHK-toong BAY-bi Covered, was released in the October 25 issue of Q Magazine.[52]

  • In September 2010, Brandon Flowers released a solo album, titled Flamingo. It charted as a top ten album in ten countries including reaching No. 1 in the UK where it has been certified Gold.[53] Single “Crossfire” became Flowers’ fifth top ten single in the UK, including work by The Killers.
  • Drummer Ronnie Vannucci released an album titled Big Talk in July 2011 via his own record label, Little Oil, in a team effort with Epitaph Records.[54] Vannucci also featured as a guest artist on Mt. Desolation‘s self-titled debut album.
  • Bassist Mark Stoermer released his debut solo album titled Another Life in November 2011 as a free download via markstoermer.com for a limited time, with a physical self-release following.[55] Stoermer also produced the Howling Bells‘s third album, The Loudest Engine, released on September 12, 2011 via Cooking Vinyl.[56][57]

[edit] Band members

Current members
  • Brandon Flowers – lead vocals, keyboards, synthesizers, piano, bass guitar (2001–present)
  • Dave Keuning – lead guitar, backing vocals (2001–present)
  • Mark Stoermer – bass guitar, backing vocals, guitar (2002–present)
  • Ronnie Vannucci, Jr. – drums, percussion, backing vocals (2002–present)
Former members
  • Dell Neal – bass guitar (2001–2002)
  • Matt Norcross – drums (2001–2002)
  • Brian Havens – drums (2002)
Touring musicians
  • Rob Whited – percussion, backing vocals (2006–present)
  • Bobby Lee Parker – acoustic guitar (2008–present)
  • Ted Sablay – keyboards, guitar, backing vocals (2006–2007, 2011, 2012–Present)
  • Jake Blanton – keyboards, guitar, backing vocals (2011–present)
Former touring musicians
  • Tommy Marth – saxophone, backing vocals (2008–2010; died 2012)
  • Ray Suen – keyboards, guitar, violin, backing vocals (2008–2010)

[edit] Discography

[edit] Tours

[edit] Commercial and critical acclaim

Hot Fuss has sold more than 7 million units worldwide, it was the 26th best-selling album of the decade in the United Kingdom. It spent 173 weeks on the UK Albums Chart, more than any other album.[58] In 2013, Gigwise readers ranked it No. 1 “Best Debut Album of All Time”.[59] Rolling Stone magazine ranked Hot Fuss as the 43rd best album in their “100 Best Albums of the Decade” list,[60] and “Mr. Brightside” was ranked the 48th Best Song Of The Decade.[61]

Sam’s Town has sold over 5 million units worldwide. The readers of the American music magazine Rolling Stone, in December 2009, voted Sam’s Town the No. 1 “Most Underrated Album of the Decade”.[62] While in the UK, Sam’s Town was the 70th best selling album of the decade, and Q magazine ranked it as the 11th best album of the decade.[63]

The Killers have won four NME Awards: “Best International Band” in 2005, 2008 and 2009 and Best Video for “Bones” in 2006. They have also received two awards in the first NME Awards USA in 2008 for “Best Band” and “Best Track” for “Tranquilize”. The band has also been nominated for seven Grammy Awards. In 2006, the band won the BRIT Award for “Best International Band”, while the album Sam’s Town went on to win “Best International Album”. To date, the band has received six nominations for “Best International Band” at the NME Awards and three nominations for “Best International Group” at the BRIT Awards.

In 2008, Rolling Stone readers voted Day & Age the “Album of the Year” and “Cover of the Year”.[64] In 2009, readers voted “Sam’s Town” the #1 “Most Underrated Album of the Decade”.[65] In 2012, readers voted “Battle Born” the #2 “Album of the Year” and single “Miss Atomic Bomb” the “Best Song of 2012”.[66][67]

Eleven songs by The Killers feature in the book XFM’s 1000 Greatest Songs of All Time; frontman Brandon Flowers also wrote a foreword for the book.[68]

In November 2009, “Mr. Brightside” was voted the best song of the decade by the listeners of the British alternative rock station XFM.[69] Over 14,000 individual votes were cast by XFM listeners via the station’s official website. “Somebody Told Me” was ranked No. 9[69] and “All These Things That I’ve Done” was ranked No. 22.[70] Other songs not in the Top 25 include “When You Were Young” at No. 31,[71]Read My Mind” at No. 86,[72] and “Human” at No. 94.[73][74] Absolute Radio listeners also voted “Mr. Brightside” as the best song of the decade.
Amazon.com UK released their lists of the best-selling artists and albums of the decade,[75] with The Killers coming in at No. 3 in Top 10 best-selling artists of the decade.

[edit] Activism

Invited by U.S. President Barack Obama, the band played on the White House South Lawn on July 4, 2010 for the second annual “Salute To The Military” United Service Organizations concert as part of Independence Day celebrations, which Flowers described as a “monumental honor”.[76] Despite their hiatus, the band got together to play “Human”, “Somebody Told Me”, “Mr. Brightside”, “A Dustland Fairytale”, “God Bless America/Read My Mind” and “When You Were Young”.[77] Flowers, Keuning and Stoermer also played at a campaign rally on July 8, 2010 in Nevada for Obama and U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid who was up for re-election. The Killers played an acoustic version of “Read My Mind” and did a folksy rendition of the state song, “Home Means Nevada“.

In February 2011, Flowers had a private one-on-one lunch with Mitt Romney during Romney’s visit to the Republican Party convention in Nevada.[78] In October 2012 Flowers confirmed that the band had declined an offer to support Romney, stating that the band were staying neutral in the election.[79]

[edit] Philanthropy

The Killers have become recognized for their work with the Product Red campaign, headed by Bono and Bobby Shriver. To date they have released seven Christmas themed songs and music videos: “A Great Big Sled” (2006), “Don’t Shoot Me Santa” (2007), Joseph, Better You Than Me” (2008), “¡Happy Birthday Guadalupe!” (2009), “Boots” (2010), “The Cowboy’s Christmas Ball” (2011) and “I Feel It In My Bones” (2012). On November 30, 2011 they released the (RED) Christmas EP on iTunes which features all six songs that had been released up to that point. All proceeds from the songs have been donated to Product Red campaign and the fight against AIDS in Africa. They have also enlisted the help of other acts including Elton John, Neil Tennant (Pet Shop Boys), Toni Halliday (Curve), Wild Light and Mariachi El Bronx.

Additionally, their song “Goodnight, Travel Well” was used in an effort to promote awareness for sex trafficking headed by UNICEF, MTV EXIT (End Exploitation And Trafficking) and the US Agency for International Development.[80][81] The song “Hotel California” was covered by the Killers and Rhythms del Mundo for climate crisis and natural disaster relief.[82][83]

Bielema gives inspiration talk to Little Rock Touchdown Club!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-SYwFPm2lQ

 

I never thought Bobby Petrino was a good speaker but probably his finest speech was two years ago when he spoke to the Little Rock Touchdown Club. I should know since I was there and was very impressed with the talk. Today Brett Bielema also fired up the Hog faithful but we don’t have the horses that the Razorbacks had in 2011 when we finished ranked #5 in the nation behind two other SEC West foes who played in the National Championship Game. I am not going to let myself get too fired up this year in my expectations since last year I was predicting a possible national title year and it turned out to be 4-8.

I got to meet Coach Bielema at the Saline County Razorback Club in March and I was very impressed. I think he will get us back to the big time eventually but I am not predicting he will do it in the next two or three years. It may take 4 or 5 years to start the sniff the top 10 again. Tennessee and Auburn are the in same position we are. Both programs are hoping to get back in the top 10. Tennessee was a regular in the top 10 in the 1990’s and 2000’s until they started spinning their wheels with 4 different coaches in the last 7 years and Auburn just 2 years after a national title fired their coach after they hit rock bottom.

Bielema says Arkansas looking to opener

 

By KELLY P. KISSEL
Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013 – 11:16 am
Last Modified: Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013 – 2:42 pm

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Arkansas football coach Bret Bielema said Wednesday his team has done what it could to put a horrible 2012 season behind it and is looking forward to kicking off a new season next week.

Bielema spoke to members of the Little Rock Touchdown Club on Wednesday and said it would be his final general appearance until after the season. Regular drills for the Aug. 31 opener in Fayetteville against Louisiana-Lafayette open Sunday.

The Razorbacks had two coaches in 2012.

Bobby Petrino, now at Western Kentucky, was fired after lying to school administrators about the circumstances surrounding a motorcycle accident he suffered April 1, 2012 — including that his mistress was aboard and that he had a hand in her hiring at the athletic department.

John Smith was let go after a 4-8 season that became progressively worse after a 34-31 overtime loss to Louisiana-Monroe early in the season. The next week, Arkansas lost to Alabama 52-0 and Smith told reporters two days later that they needed to “Smile!”

“No one in college football has been through what you’ve been through, but you’ve lived through it,” Bielema said, recounting what he told his players last winter. “That year may not have been that much fun.”

But the coach said that, after coming to Arkansas from Wisconsin, the players haven’t complained about doing things differently.

“They’re excited to show you what we have built,” the coach said.

Separately, the school released its 2014 schedule, which drops the traditional Thanksgiving weekend matchup with LSU. Arkansas will travel to Missouri for a game the Friday after the holiday next season. The LSU game is two weeks earlier. The Razorbacks will also open the season with a road conference game for the first time since traveling to Texas in 1980, a 23-17 loss in a matchup of two Top 10 teams.

Meeting with reporters before his Touchdown Club appearance, Bielema said he knew there would be “curve balls” in the schedule.

The complete 2014 schedule announced Wednesday:

Aug. 30, at Auburn-c

Sept. 6, Nicholls State

Sept. 13, at Texas Tech

Sept. 20, Northern Illinois

Sept. 27, vs. Texas A&M-c (at Arlington, Texas)

Oct. 11, Alabama-c

Oct. 18, Georgia-c

Oct. 25, Alabama-Birmingham

Nov. 1, at Mississippi State-c

Nov. 15, LSU-c

Nov. 22, Ole Miss-c

Nov. 29, at Missouri-c

-c denotes Southeastern Conference game

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Debating with Ark Times Bloggers on “The Meaning of Life” Part 7 “A song from Coldplay about Ecclesiastes?”

Ecclesiastes 8-10 | Still Searching After All These Years

Published on Oct 9, 2012

Calvary Chapel Spring Valley | Sunday Evening | October 7, 2012 | Pastor Derek Neider

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Ecclesiastes 11-12 | Solomon Finds His Way

Published on Oct 30, 2012

Calvary Chapel Spring Valley | Sunday Evening | October 28, 2012 | Pastor Derek Neider

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I have enjoyed going back and forth with the Arkansas Times Bloggers on many subjects over the years. Now I have discussed the subject of “The Meaning of Life” with them recently and I wanted to share some of this with you.

I have written on the Book of Ecclesiastes and the subject of the meaning of our lives on several occasions on this blog. In this series on Ecclesiastes I hope to show how secular humanist man can not hope to find a lasting meaning to his life in a closed system without bringing God back into the picture. This is the same exact case with Solomon in the Book of Ecclesiastes. Three thousand years ago, Solomon took a look at life “under the sun” in his book of Ecclesiastes. Christian scholar Ravi Zacharias has noted, “The key to understanding the Book of Ecclesiastes is the term ‘under the sun.’ What that literally means is you lock God out of a closed system, and you are left with only this world of time plus chance plus matter.”

On May 28, 2013 on the Arkansas Times Blog I posted the following:

Chris Martin of Coldplay revealed in his interview with Howard Stern that he was raised an evangelical Christian but he has left the church. I believe that many words that he puts in his songs today are generated from the deep seated Christian beliefs from his childhood that find their way out in his songs. The fact Coldplay’s songs deal so much with death and the search for meaning and purpose of life (similar to Solomon’s search in Ecclesiastes), and that our actions are being watched, and Chris describes different ways God tries to reveal himself to us, and many songs deal with trying to find a way to an afterlife and heaven, and he stills uses Christian terms like being “blessed” and “grateful.”

People are looking for a purpose for their lives even if they have millions in the bank and have the world at their finger tips.

https://thedailyhatch.org/2013/05/28/the-mo…

My usual opponent who I do respect goes by the username “NeverVoteRepublican” and he or her responded on May 28, 2013:

Saline–I don’t know what the heck Chris Martin’s religious beliefs have to do with anything but you sure know how to copy and paste. Do you even know who Chris Martin is or  anything about his music?

On June 3, 2013 on the Arkansas Times Blog I responded with the following:

Here is my answer:

Chris Martin was raised as an evangelical but he left the faith in his teenage years and he writes all of the songs for the rock band Coldplay and he does write a bunch of lyrics dealing with various subjects that suggest that he is searching for a lasting meaing to his life. It is my belief that he just can’t get away from his deep-seated childhood religious beliefs that he keeps coming back to. Over and over in Coldplay’s music you see Chris Martin putting in Biblical words such as Daniel in the Lions Den, Till Kingdom Come, Head on a silver plate, I know Saint Peter won’t call my name, and even the phrase “Under the Sun” from the Book of Ecclesiastes.” That brings me to the Coldplay song “World Turned Upside Down” when uses the phrase “And everything under the sun” six times. Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:14, “I have seen everything that is done under the sun. Look at it! It’s all pointless. [It’s like] trying to catch the wind.” Will Martin come to this same conclusion?

The song starts off with these words, “The land, sea, rivers, trees, the stars, the sky, That and this, We’re part of a bigger plan, Don’t know what it is, Don’t know what it is.” That reminds me of these words of Solomon from Ecclesiastes 3:11 says in the Amplified version:

“He (God) also has planted eternity in men’s hearts and minds [a divinely implanted sense of a purpose working through the ages which nothing under the sun but God alone can satisfy], yet so that men cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.”

Solomon opens the Book of Ecclesiastes with the same frustration that Chris Martin expresses in this song. Solomon notes:

One generation goes its way, the next one arrives,
    but nothing changes—it’s business as usual for old
        planet earth.
The sun comes up and the sun goes down,
    then does it again, and again—the same old round.
The wind blows south, the wind blows north.
    Around and around and around it blows,
    blowing this way, then that—the whirling, erratic wind.
All the rivers flow into the sea,
    but the sea never fills up.
The rivers keep flowing to the same old place,
    and then start all over and do it again.
Everything’s boring, utterly boring—
    no one can find any meaning in it.

Chris Martin also feels this same tension in his lyrics in the song “World Turned Upside Down” as he continues:

What is this feeling that I can't explain? 
And why am I never gonna sleep again? 
What is this thing I've never seen before? 
A little boy lost in a breaking storm, 
Pilots, up and away they fly 
To write your name in the summer sky 
Life has really only just begun, 
Life that comes 
And everything under the sun
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Rick Warden in his excellent article, "Philosophical Atheist, Before you Commit Suicide Read Ecclesiastes" observed:

The Jewish physicist Alan Sandage was an atheist most of his life but simply could not dispel all the evidence he had seen in the cosmos pointing to God’s necessary existence. He became a Christian at age 60, explaining, ”I could not live a life full of cynicism. I chose to believe, and a peace of mind came over me.” (The Telegraph, Allan Sandage (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/science-obituaries/8150004/Allan-Sandage.html). One of the reasons Sandage believed was the complexity of the universe: ”The world is too complicated in all its parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone.”( Leadership U, A Scientist Reflects on Religious Belief (http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth15.html)

It doesn’t take a great mind to understand what Solomon and Sandage knew, it only takes an open mind. Three decades ago, Stephen Hawking declared humanity was on the verge of discovering the “theory of everything”with a 50 per cent chance of knowing it by 2000. But by 2010 Hawking had given up hope. ( New Scientist, Stephen Hawking says there’s no theory of everything,  September 2, 2010)

If only Hawking had read the book of Ecclesiastes, he could have saved a lot of wasted time: “He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.”( Ecclesiastes 3:11 NIV) Hawking is a good example showing that intelligence and wisdom are two very distinct things.

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Solomon does bring God back into the picture in the last chapter after looking at “life under the sun” without God in the picture in the first 11 chapters. Michael Gowens comments:

Ecclesiastes does not end on this pessimistic note, however. After analyzing the futility of life without God, the Preacher affirms that life lived with a conscious awareness of God is supremely meaningful: “Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth” the Preacher counsels (12:1).

____________

I am hoping that both Stephen Hawking and Chris Martin also bring God back in the picture as they continue their searches for a lasting meaning to life.

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Coldplay – World Turned Upside Down

Published on Aug 26, 2012

World Turned Upside Down Coldplay Lyrics

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The World Turned Upside Down

X & Y
The land, sea, rivers, trees, the stars, the sky 
That and this 
We're part of a bigger plan 
Don't know what it is 
Don't know what it is 

You and me 
The land, sun, trees, the sky, the stars, the sea 
365 degrees 
I am a puzzle you're the missing piece 
Hang on a minute just a minute please 
I'll come 
And everything under the sun 
And everything under the sun 

What is this feeling that I can't explain? 
And why am I never gonna sleep again? 
What is this thing I've never seen before? 
A little boy lost in a breaking storm 
Pilots, up and away they fly 
To write your name in the summer sky 
Life has really only just begun 
Life that comes 
And everything under the sun 

X is Y 
The land, sea, rivers, trees, the stars, the sky 
365 degrees 
All of the surface and the underneath 

ah 
And everything under the sun 
And everything under the sun 

What is this feeling that I can't explain? 
And why am I never gonna sleep again? 
What is this thing I've never seen before? 
A little boy lost in a breaking storm 
Pilots up and away they fly 
To write your name in the summer sky 
Life has really only just begun 
Life that comes 
And everything under the sun 

And you don't know that you've been born 
Can't see the calm until the storm 
Can't tell your right side from your wrong 
Can't see the wave you're riding on

_____________

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“Music Monday” Skillet is a Christian Heavy Metal Band from Memphis Part 3

Skillet – Awake and Alive

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Skillet

Skillet performing at a promotional acoustic show in Denton, TX in 2006
Background information
Origin Memphis, Tennessee, U.S.
Genres Rock,[1] Christian rock/metal,[2][3] alternative rock,[4] hard rock,[2] nu metal,[5][6] symphonic metal (recent),[5] industrial music (early),[7] grunge (early)[7]
Years active 1996–present
Labels Ardent, Lava, Atlantic, ForeFront, Fair Trade Services (formerly known as INO)
Associated acts Seraph
Website skillet.com
Members
John Cooper
Korey Cooper
Jen Ledger
Seth Morrison
Past members
Kevin Haaland
Ben Kasica
Trey McClurkin
Lori Peters
Jonathan Salas
Ken Steorts

Skillet is an American Christian rock band formed in Memphis, Tennessee in 1996. The band currently consists of husband and wife John (lead vocals, bass) and Korey Cooper (rhythm guitar, keyboards, backing vocals), along with Jen Ledger (drums, vocals) and Seth Morrison (lead guitar). The band has released eight albums, two receiving Grammy nominations: Collide and Comatose.[8] They are planning on releasing their 9th Studio Album in early 2013. Awake has been certified Platinum and debuted on No. 2 on the Billboard 200, with Comatose certified Gold by RIAA.

Skillet went through several line-up changes early in their career, leaving founder John Cooper as the only original member remaining in the band. They have sold over 2 million albums in the U.S. alone[not verified in body] and are known for a relentless touring schedule, which garnered them a top five ranking in the Hardest Working Bands of 2011 by Billboard.com.[9]

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[edit] Band history

[edit] Self-titled and Hey You, I Love Your Soul (1996–99)

Skillet formed in 1996 with two members: John Cooper, former vocalist for Tennessee progressive rock band Seraph, and Ken Steorts, former guitarist for Urgent Cry. The two bands met through touring together, but those bands disbanded soon after, so John and Ken’s pastor encouraged them to form their own band as a side-project.[10] Coming from different styles of rock music, they decided to name the experiment Skillet. After Trey McClurkin joined the band as a temporary drummer. Skillet was only together for a month when they received interest from major Christian record label ForeFront Records. In 1996 they released a self-titled debut Skillet. It was well-received, and the trio continued to write new material as they toured the United States. One topic that comes up often among fans and the band itself, is the name ‘Skillet’. John Cooper, the lead vocalist, explains that it was a joke at first. Each starting band member was already in a separate band, and all decided to start a side project. Since each other band had a different sound and style to it, the side project was said to be like putting all of those styles in a big skillet to come up with something unique. Hence the band name ‘Skillet’. The band name is still somewhat of a joke between the band members, especially Cooper, who claims to still not like the title.

Skillet recorded their follow-up album throughout 1997, titled Hey You, I Love Your Soul, which was released in April 1998. Their second effort was a change in style from the band’s first release. With this release, Skillet would abandon their post-grunge approach for a lighter alternative rock and style. His wife Korey was enlisted soon after to play keyboards live in order to alleviate John’s live performance duties.

[edit] Invincible, Ardent Worship, and Alien Youth (2000–02)

Shortly before the band began recording for their third album, Invincible, Steorts left the band to be with his family and launch Visible Music College, a modern music ministry college located in Memphis, and Kevin Haaland joined the band as their new guitarist. Korey Cooper joined the band permanently and played keyboards for the recording of Invincible. Because of this change, the musical style on Invincible changed to a more electronic sound.[11] Soon after the release of Invincible in early 2000, Trey McClurkin parted ways with Skillet, and Lori Peters filled the drummer’s position.

The band released their first worship album, and fourth album overall, Ardent Worship in late 2000. The band kept much of their sound from Invincible on their next album Alien Youth.[11] With little time between touring and recording, Skillet released Alien Youth on August 28, 2001, which was the first album that John Cooper took on production duties. Before the release of Alien Youth, Haaland left the band, and Ben Kasica took over on guitar. The first single, the title track, was a major hit in the Christian market and drove Skillet into their first headlining shows.[citation needed]

[edit] Collide (2003–05)

In 2003, Collide was released by Ardent Records. It caught the attention of Andy Karp, the Head of A&R of Lava Records, and in 2004 the rights to Collide were bought by Lava Records, a division of Atlantic Records. On May 25, 2004, Collide was re-released under Lava Records, with an added track, “Open Wounds”. Collide was yet another musical shift for the band. Citing P.O.D. as inspiration for the musical shift on Collide, Cooper said, “Well I’m one of these song writers, everything I hear goes through my John Cooper filter of what I like and what I don’t like. […] All these things […] have been an influence on me.”[12]

[edit] Comatose (2006–08)

Skillet’s album Comatose was released on October 3, 2006. It features the singles “Rebirthing,” “Whispers in the Dark,” “Comatose,” “The Older I Get,” “Those Nights,” “The Last Night“, and “Better Than Drugs”. The album debuted at No. 55 on the Billboard 200 and No. 4 on the US Top Christian Albums chart.[13]

In January 2008, Skillet announced that their drummer, Lori Peters, was retiring from the band, feeling that “it’s time for her to come off of the road and start a new chapter in her life.”[14] Peters’ last concert with Skillet was on December 31, 2007.[15] However, during the 2007 Christmas season, she took the time to train Skillet’s next drummer, Jen Ledger.[15]

On October 21, 2008, Comatose Comes Alive was released; a CD/DVD combo featuring live recordings of the band’s May 9, 2008 concert in Chattanooga, Tennessee. It was shown on the Gospel Music Channel on December 5, 2008. Skillet’s Comatose Comes Alive CD also had a B-side with “Live Free or Let Me Die” as a single, also with five acoustic tracks which purchasers could download by inserting the CD in their computer.[16]

The Comatose album was certified Gold in sales by the RIAA on November 3, 2009.[17]

[edit] Awake (2009–11)

Skillet announced that they went into the studio January 12 to finalize the new record with Grammy-nominated producer Howard Benson. They added two songs (“Hero” and “Monster“) from the new record to their setlist on April 2, 2009 in Evansville, Indiana as part of their Comatose Tour 2009.[citation needed]

Skillet’s most recent studio album is Awake.[18] The album contains twelve songs and was released on August 25, 2009.[19] It charted at No. 2 on the Billboard top 200 selling around 68,000 units in its first week.[20] “Monster” was released as a single on July 14, 2009. Contrary to popular belief, John Cooper stated that “Hero” was not the album’s lead single. It was, however, released as a single in March 2010.[21] They also released a deluxe version with the extra songs “Dead Inside” and “Would It Matter”, along with the original, radio edit of “Monster” that does not have the distorted growl as in the single and in the CD. A remix on “Monster” was featured on one of their popular podcasts.The song “Hero” was used in the publicizing of the first football game of the 2009 NFL season between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Tennessee Titans, and the song “Monster” was used in the episode “Jason: The Pretty-Boy Bully” on MTV’s Bully Beatdown. “Monster” was the theme song for the WWE event WWE Hell in a Cell while the song “Hero” was the theme song for WWE Tribute to the Troops and Royal Rumble 2010, as well as both songs being included on the official soundtrack for the WWE video game WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2010. It is also the opening theme song for the AHL team the Lake Erie Monsters in Cleveland, Ohio and serves as the opening theme of the Fresno Monsters of Fresno, California. “Monster” was aired at the beginning of several ACC football games on Raycom Sports during the 2009 season. In the first week of April 2010, it was released for the Rock band music store in Rock Band 2[22] It also tied the record for highest-charting Christian album on the Billboard 200 with Underoath‘s 2006 release Define the Great Line and Casting Crowns‘ 2007 release The Altar and the Door, as all three albums debuted at No. 2.[23]

Skillet was nominated for six Dove Awards for the 41st Annual GMA Dove Awards.[24][25] Awake was certified gold July 2, 2010.[26][27] Also in 2010, Ardent released The Early Years, a collection of their songs from 1996 to 2001. On November 12, Skillet released an iTunes sessions EP consisting of songs from Comatose and Awake.[28] “Monster” was certified gold a day later.[29]

On February 14, 2011, Skillet officially announced that longtime lead guitarist Ben Kasica would be leaving the band. Kasica was with the band for 10 years, contributing to the albums Alien Youth, Collide, Comatose, and Awake as well as the live album Comatose Comes Alive. He played what was planned to be his last concert with the band on March 20.[30] The band announced that they had chosen solo artist Jonathan Salas as their new guitarist, but Salas confirmed he had left the band on April 9 via Twitter.[citation needed] Kasica returned and continued touring until a new guitarist was trained.[31] On April 16, Seth Morrison replaced Kasica as the lead guitarist, and now tours full-time with Skillet.[32][unreliable source?]

Skillet announced the release of Awake and Remixed EP in early March 2011. The remixes were mainly done by Korey Cooper and Ben Kasica. On March 2, 2011, Skillet unveiled the album artwork for the album. John Cooper says the idea was conceived when Korey Cooper and Ben Kasica remixed the song Monster for their popular podcast. The four-song EP was released on March 22.[33]

“Awake” was nominated for and won the “Top Christian Album” Award at the Billboard Music Awards 2011, and the song “Awake and Alive” was announced to be on the Transformers: Dark of the Moon Soundtrack in May 2011.[34]

[edit] Rise (2011–present)

On June 21, 2011 John posted to his Twitter account that the band rehearsed new music for the first time and that they are getting ready for a new album.[35] At a question and answer session before a concert, John Cooper said that they would be recording a new record in January/February 2012. However, the band was then scheduled to headline the WinterJam Tour. In January 2012, Skillet announced that they will not be touring for most of the summer so that they can record the new album.[citation needed] They plan to enter the studio at the conclusion of the Winter Jam eastern tour, approximately in May, for a release in late 2012.[36]

During a July 18, 2012 interview with RadioU, John Cooper stated the band currently had 61 songs written and would be heading into the studio in October to record the album with Howard Benson for an early 2013 release.[citation needed]

In an interview with CCM Magazine, John Cooper described the new album as “a roller coaster ride”. He states: “We have aggressive tracks, artsy and musical tracks, which is new territory for Skillet. A couple songs are classic American heartland anthems, and a couple songs are signature symphonic-classical rock Skillet. Guitars are dirty and edgier, with absolute shredding solos by Seth.” One of the songs mentioned in the interview was titled “Salvation”.[37]

In a Interview on January 26, 2013 In Beaumont TX, John Cooper announced that the new album will be titled Rise and will be coming out in May 2013.[38]

[edit] Touring

Skillet performing live on April 12, 2008 at Anderson University, Anderson, Indiana.

In the middle of 2006, Korey Cooper took a break from performing, due to her pregnancy with their second child. Her rhythm guitar and keyboard roles were temporarily filled by two people: Andrea Winchell (who would later become the Coopers’ nanny) on keys and Chris Marvin (lead singer/guitar of The Spark) on guitar.

Skillet toured with Ron Luce and Teen Mania Ministries on their Acquire The Fire Tour across the United States and Canada in 2007. When they returned, Skillet had plans to co-headline the Justice & Mercy Tour with Flyleaf, but the tour was postponed and ultimately canceled after a number of shows due to Flyleaf lead vocalist Lacey Mosley‘s vocal problems. They then toured with Luce’s Global Expeditions program on a summer missions trip with teenagers to Mexico. In 2008 they joined Teen Mania Ministries and toured with Acquire the Fire.

Skillet joined Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, and Seether on the first half of their tour in fall 2007.[39] Then Skillet headlined their own Comatose Tour alongside Thousand Foot Krutch and traveled to approximately 30 cities. The tour started on March 28 and ran through May 11, 2008.[40] Skillet toured again from April 2009 through June 2009 with Decyfer Down and Disciple. This tour was called Comatose Tour 2009 (essentially a second branch of the 2008 Comatose Tour). In fall of 2009, Skillet began touring with Hawk Nelson, Decyfer Down, and The Letter Black to promote Skillet’s album Awake. The Awake & Alive Tour encompassed 52 cities from October through January.

Skillet performing live on July 1, 2010 at Cornerstone Festival (Illinois).

Skillet appeared at the 2009 Night of Joy Christian Rock festival at Disney Hollywood Studios at Walt Disney World.[41] This marked the band’s first absence from Universal Studios Orlando‘s Rock the Universe in five years due to conflicting schedules. However, they were able to perform the following year, in 2010. On September 26, 2009, Skillet appeared at Awakening Music Festival in Leesburg, Virginia, alongside Jeremy Camp, Kutless, Hawk Nelson, Disciple, Decyfer Down, and others. Skillet also played at the Super Dome in New Orleans for the ELCA National Youth Gathering in 2009.

Skillet headlined two separate Rock the River tours, run by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, and hosted by Franklin Graham. Those tours were Rock the River: Midwest in the summer of 2009 and Rock the River: West in the summer of 2010.

In January 2010 they toured with Puddle of Mudd and Shinedown through the East Coast of the United States.[42][43] They also announced on their live chat with fans on December 5, 2009 that they would be touring with TobyMac in March and April 2010. This was later expanded upon as the “Awake Tonight Tour” named after both artists’ new albums.[44] House of Heroes joined them on the tour as the opening act.

In April and May the band continued on a second branch of their Awake and Alive tour with The Letter Black and Red.[45][46] In April it was also announced that the band would be touring with Creed and Theft in August and September 2010.[47][48] In October the band will be co-headlining the “Monsters of Annihilation Tour” with Papa Roach. Trapt and My Darkest Days will be supporting acts.[49] They toured again with TobyMac in November and December as the 2010 version of the Winter Wonder Slam tour.[50] On July 4, Skillet played at Creation Festival East and John Cooper called it the best show of Skillet’s career.[51]

In January 2011, Skillet confirmed that they would be touring with Stone Sour and Theory of a Deadman on the Avalanche Tour. The tour began at the end of March 2011 and concluded on May 8 in Jacksonville, FL. Other supporting acts include Halestorm and Art of Dying.[citation needed] The band had a small international tour in January and February 2011 visiting Australia,[52] New Zealand’s Parachute Music Festival,[53] and Japan.[citation needed]

In October 2011, the band continued their Awake and Alive tour with Disciple, We As Human, and Manafest.[citation needed]

Announced in October 2011, Skillet are headlining the 2012 Winter Jam tour for the central and eastern parts of the United States.[54][55]

[edit] Band members

Current
  • John Cooper – lead vocals, bass, acoustic guitar (1996–present)
  • Korey Cooper – vocals, backing vocals, rhythm guitar, keyboards, synthesizer (1999–present)
  • Jen Ledger – vocals, backing vocals, drums, percussion (2008–present)
  • Seth Morrison – lead guitar (2011–present)
Former
  • Kevin Haaland – lead guitar (1999–2001)
  • Ben Kasica – lead guitar (2001–2011, 2011)
  • Trey McClurkin – drums, backing vocals (1996–2000)
  • Lori Peters – drums (2000–2007)
  • Jonathan Salas – lead guitar (2011)
  • Ken Steorts – lead guitar (1996–1999)
Touring[56]
  • Billy Dawson – rhythm guitar (2000)
  • Faith Stern – keyboards, vocals (2002–2003)
  • Chris Marvin – rhythm guitar, backing vocals (2002–2003, 2005–2006)
  • Andrea Winchell – keyboards (2005–2006)
  • Jonathan Chu – violin (2008–present)
  • Tate Olsen – cello (2008–present)
  • Scotty Rock – bass (2009–2011)

[edit] Timeline

[edit] Discography

Main article: Skillet discography

Studio albums

This is a list of major releases only. Additional releases including EPs, live albums, singles, compilation albums and videos may be found at the full discography article.

[edit] Awards and recognition

Grammy Award nominations
  • 2005 nominee, Best Rock Gospel Album: Collide[57]
  • 2007 nominee, Best Rock or Rap Gospel Album: Comatose[8]
GMA Dove Awards
  • 2008 Rock Recorded Song of the Year: “Comatose” at the 39th Annual GMA Dove Awards on April 23, 2008.
Billboard Music Awards
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Welfare should not stand in the way of self-sufficiency but should encourage freedom from government dependence!!!

Fox News Follows California Beach Bum Living Off Food Stamps For Years

You Won’t Believe This Surfer Living the Food Stamps Dream

August 15, 2013 at 5:01 pm

This is Jason Greenslate’s typical day: “Wake up, go down to the beach, hang out with my friends, hit on some chicks, start drinking.” He also plays in a rock band. And he’s living off food stamps.

He has no income—he’s not interested in getting a job—and he’s eating on your tax dime: $200 a month of “free money,” as he puts. “All paid for by our wonderful tax dollars.” He stays with friends, family members, or girlfriends. “Why not?” he asks. He says he is “living the dream.”

Today, there are roughly 47 million Americans receiving food stamps. About 4 million of these individuals are “able-bodied adults without dependents.” In the past, to qualify for food stamps, these able-bodied adults had to work at least part time or participate in some type of work program to qualify for food stamps. If not, their benefits were limited to three months out of every 36 months. However, waivers issued by the U.S. Department of Agriculture have allowed states to suspend the work requirement the past few years. Between 2008 and 2010, the number of able-bodied adults on food stamps doubled from approximately 2 million to 4 million.

Of course, not all able-bodied food stamp recipients are like Jason, with no interest in working, and certainly a tough economy has meant fewer job opportunities.

Yet food stamps should be reformed to encourage work, even if that means preparing for work or simply looking for work.

As a result of the 1996 welfare reform, which instituted work requirements for the largest cash assistance welfare program, welfare rolls declined substantially, dropping by half within about five years. Employment rates among low-income adults also increased, and child poverty plummeted.

However, last summer the Obama Administration announced it would begin issuing waivers to the federal work requirement.

Today, the federal government operates roughly 80 means-tested welfare programs, and very few promote work. American Enterprise Institute scholar Charles Murray explained to Fox News that government welfare “is systematically undermining a civic culture of independence that was a great American treasure.”

Welfare should not stand in the way of self-sufficiency but should encourage freedom from government dependence, helping individuals achieve the true American dream

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Debating with Ark Times Bloggers on “The Meaning of Life” Part 6B (What does the term life “under the sun” mean in the Book of Ecclesiastes?)

Ecclesiastes 8-10 | Still Searching After All These Years

Published on Oct 9, 2012

Calvary Chapel Spring Valley | Sunday Evening | October 7, 2012 | Pastor Derek Neider

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Ecclesiastes 11-12 | Solomon Finds His Way

Published on Oct 30, 2012

Calvary Chapel Spring Valley | Sunday Evening | October 28, 2012 | Pastor Derek Neider

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I have enjoyed going back and forth with the Arkansas Times Bloggers on many subjects over the years. Now I have discussed the subject of “The Meaning of Life” with them recently and I wanted to share some of this with you.

I have written on the Book of Ecclesiastes and the subject of the meaning of our lives on several occasions on this blog. In this series on Ecclesiastes I hope to show how secular humanist man can not hope to find a lasting meaning to his life in a closed system without bringing God back into the picture. This is the same exact case with Solomon in the Book of Ecclesiastes. Three thousand years ago, Solomon took a look at life “under the sun” in his book of Ecclesiastes. Christian scholar Ravi Zacharias has noted, “The key to understanding the Book of Ecclesiastes is the term ‘under the sun.’ What that literally means is you lock God out of a closed system, and you are left with only this world of time plus chance plus matter.”

On May 28, 2013 on the Arkansas Times Blog I posted the following:

Chris Martin of Coldplay revealed in his interview with Howard Stern that he was raised an evangelical Christian but he has left the church. I believe that many words that he puts in his songs today are generated from the deep seated Christian beliefs from his childhood that find their way out in his songs. The fact Coldplay’s songs deal so much with death and the search for meaning and purpose of life (similar to Solomon’s search in Ecclesiastes), and that our actions are being watched, and Chris describes different ways God tries to reveal himself to us, and many songs deal with trying to find a way to an afterlife and heaven, and he stills uses Christian terms like being “blessed” and “grateful.”

People are looking for a purpose for their lives even if they have millions in the bank and have the world at their finger tips.

https://thedailyhatch.org/2013/05/28/the-mo…

My usual opponent who I do respect goes by the username “Olphart” and he or her responded on May 28, 2013:

Olphart claims that I have the message of Ecclesiastes wrong and he quotes Wikipedia:
Wikipedia notes:

“The title is a Latin transliteration of the Greek translation of the Hebrew Koheleth, meaning “Gatherer”, but traditionally translated as “Teacher” or “Preacher”.[1]

Koheleth introduces himself as “son of David, king in Jerusalem,” PERHAPS IMPLYING that he is Solomon, but the work is IN FACT ANONYMOUS and was most probably composed in the LAST PART OF THE THIRD CENTURY BC.[2] The book is in the form of an autobiography telling of his investigation of the meaning of life and the best way of life. He proclaims all the actions of man to be inherently hevel, a word meaning “vain”, “futile”, “empty”, “meaningless”, “temporary”, “transitory”, “fleeting,” or “mere breath,” as the lives of both wise and foolish men end in death. While Koheleth clearly endorses wisdom as a means for a well-lived earthly life, he is UNABLE TO ASCRIBE ETERNAL MEANING TO IT. IN LIGHT OF THIS PERCEIVED SENSELESSNESS, HE SUGGESTS THAT ONE SHOULD ENJOY THE SIMPLE PLEASURES OF DAILY LIFE, SUCH AS EATING, DRINKING, AND TAKING ENJOYMENT IN ONE’S WORK WHICH ARE GIFTS FROM THE HANDS OF GOD. THE BOOK CONCLUDES WITH WORDS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ADDED BY A LATER EDITOR DISTURBED BY KOHELETH’S FAILURE TO MENTION GOD’S LAWS: “FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; FOR THAT IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF EVERYONE” (12:13).[3]”

I have capitalized the parts that directly contradict how you and Dr. Peter May characterize the book of Ecclesiastes. You got the author wrong, you got the date of composition wrong and, most likely, have gotten the central message totally backwards.

Other than that, you are accurate, it seems.
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On May 29, 2013 on the Arkansas Times Blog I responded with the following:

Here is my answer:

There are many who hold that Solomon wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes and there are many that believe Solomon is talking about examining life “under the sun” as life apart from God. You will notice that in Solomon’s final conclusion he brings God back into the picture. Here are some other people and their perspectives agree with my view on Solomon’s use of this phrase “under the sun.”

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Here is a  good comment:

The viewpoint espoused by the author is a virtual summary of the biblical worldview: life lived by purely human and earthly standards is empty, while life with God at the center is fulfilling.

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Here Today, Gone Tomorrow (Ecclesiastes 1:1-11)

Solomon follows up his theme with a rhetorical question that demands a negative answer. In 1:3 he asks, “What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun?” The answer is there is no advantage. Work seems pointless because it is quickly passing. Furthermore, it is monotonous. The key phrase in Ecclesiastes, “under the sun,” is used twenty-nine times.21 This phrase is the key to understanding the book of Ecclesiastes. Solomon is writing from his viewpoint—ground level, horizontal, limited, and human. In these words we have a description of what life is like if the heavens are shut off from man. If a bowl were placed over the earth, masking the heavens (i.e., the spiritual world from which God speaks and acts), what would life be like? Given this perspective, what would be the view from earth? This is the experiment which is in focus in the book of Ecclesiastes.22

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Tuesday, 13 September 2011

Philosophical Atheist, Before you Commit Suicide Read Ecclesiastes

Meaninglessness and Materialism

There is a wealth of insight in the book of Ecclesiastes, but you can break down the main philosophical aspects into three main points:

1. The Emptiness of Worldly Pre-occupations – Eccl. 2:1-11

2. The Brevity of Life – Eccl. 12:1-8

3. The Only Logical Purpose in Life – Eccl. 12:13-14[9]

Solomon begins Ecclesiastes 1.2-3 announcing “‘Meaningless! Meaningless!’ says the Teacher. ‘Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless.’ What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?” How discouraging can you get? The key to understanding the book of Ecclesiastes is to understand that he makes many false statements based upon a materialist perspective, in viewing everything “under the sun” as meaningless. Solomon addresses common materialist idols in society and shows why these are meaningless and empty pursuits. Solomon tries learning, laughter an liquor in an attempt to find satisfaction, but he’s left empty.

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Question: “What is the meaning of life?”

In our humanistic culture, people pursue many things, thinking that in them they will find meaning. Some of these pursuits include business success, wealth, good relationships, sex, entertainment, and doing good to others. People have testified that while they achieved their goals of wealth, relationships, and pleasure, there was still a deep void inside, a feeling of emptiness that nothing seemed to fill.

The author of the biblical book of Ecclesiastes describes this feeling when he says, “Meaningless! Meaningless! …Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless” (Ecclesiastes 1:2). King Solomon, the writer of Ecclesiastes, had wealth beyond measure, wisdom beyond any man of his time or ours, hundreds of women, palaces and gardens that were the envy of kingdoms, the best food and wine, and every form of entertainment available. He said at one point that anything his heart wanted, he pursued. And yet he summed up “life under the sun”—life lived as though all there is to life is what we can see with our eyes and experience with our senses—is meaningless. Why is there such a void? Because God created us for something beyond what we can experience in the here-and-now. Solomon said of God, “He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” (Ecclesiastes 3:11). In our hearts we are aware that the “here-and-now” is not all that there is.

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Ecclesiastes 1 – The Vanity Of Life

b. In which he toils under the sun: This is the first stating of an essential theme through Ecclesiastes. This phrase will be repeated more than 25 times through the book. The idea isn’t “on a sunny day” or something having to do with the weather. The idea is “in this world that we can see; the material world.” It is life considered without an eternal perspective.

i. “If our view of life goes no further than ‘under the sun’, all our endeavours will have an undertone of misery.” (Eaton)

ii. The use of the phrase under the sun “shows that the writer’s interest was universal and not limited to only his own people and land.” (Wright)

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I seem to remember that in Ecclesiastes, there is a suggestion that no afterlife exists?

There are two different viewpoints presented in the book of Ecclesiastes: The first 11 chapters primarily present the secular, humanistic, materialistic view of Solomon at a time in his life when he was not serving the Lord. The theme of the first 11 chapters could be stated as, “Man’s Wisdom Under the Sun.” This is verified in 1:13, 14 and 17. The first 11 chapters of Ecclesiastes are definitely in the Bible for a reason (although most Christians realize they are NOT for us to try and extract essential doctrine from). Rather, they are presented as a stark contrast to the final chapter, which does present a theistic (or God’s) viewpoint.

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Devotion for an Apologist/Philosopher: Ecclesiastes

There are so many verses, chapters, and books in the Bible which resonate with me as a Christian philosopher/apologist. Ecclesiastes ranks near the top, however, due to its wonderfully philosophical message and style. The underlying theme of Ecclesiastes is that without God, everything is meaningless.

“‘Meaningless! Meaningless!’
says the Teacher.
‘Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.’… What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.” (1:2, 9).

The book starts with the idea that there is “nothing new under the sun.” The theme of “under the sun” is important to note. Consistently, “under the sun” is used to refer to “on earth.” It is in stark contrast to the “permanence of heaven” (TLSB). The theme contrasting life here on earth with heaven does not become apparent until very late in the book, so we too shall leave it until the end.

Solomon continues to explore the idea that that which we do “under the sun” is utterly meaningless. “For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow” (1:18). The more we know, the more we sorrow. We can see themes like this in atheists like Albert Camus or Sartre, whose exploration of a world without God lead them to question whether suicide may be the only valid option.

The theme repeats throughout the book. “Under the sun”, all is meaningless, there is nothing new, and life itself passes away. Even a constant search for pleasure can only be meaningless.

Yet the conclusion to Ecclesiastes radically re-imagines the book. Solomon’s point so far has been that “you cannot make sense of life” (Waltke). Life under the sun is meaningless, futile, and vain. Existentially, the more we know, the more despair we can find. The more we explore life “under the sun,” the more we realize that it will be extinguished, and our actions will no longer impact that life.

The story does not end there, however. “The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil” (12:13-14). The final verses of the book turn the meaning of the entire work about. The Preacher/Teacher comes to the conclusion: without God, all is meaningless; with God, there is good and evil, there is judgment, and there is duty. Rather than striving for nothing, we should strive for God. Rather than despair and futility; there is duty and good. Without God, life is meaningless; with God, there is meaning.

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Why is Solomon so depressed in Ecclesiastes?

The key phrase
Much of book continues on in a similar vane—contemplating the negative and pointless existence our pursuits of such things as wealth, knowledge, justice, creativity, progression, and the like.  But there is another phrase in the book which I think provides the key for understanding the author and his writing.  “Under the sun” is employed 29 times by the author.  The meaningless of life is closely tied to this idea of being “under the sun.”  And I think we should also affirm the utter meaningless of everything “under the sun.”

There is a worldview which we call Naturalism.  It is the belief that everything in existence can be reduced to natural forces or properties.  Naturalism is the denial of anything which is not contained in the natural/material world (souls, angels, God, the eternal truths of ideas such as justice, morality, beauty, etc.).  A Naturalist’s creed will be something like that of the late Carl Sagan, “The cosmos is all that is, or was, or ever will be.”  Most importantly, within Naturalism, there is no immaterial, intelligent mind (a.k.a. God) behind the universe.

For the author of Ecclesiastes to speak of life “under the sun,” I believe, is to speak of a view of the world apart from God.  “Under the sun,” then, is to evaluate all of life as a closed system; one which has nothing (or more appropriately, no One) above or beyond it.  This outlook is expressed in Chapter 9, verses 5-6, “for the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.  Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.”  It is the thoroughly atheistic philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche who understood that once God is removed from the equation of life human pursuits loose their transcendent meaning.  In The Gay Science, Nietzsche describes the advent of atheism like this: “What did we do when we unchained this earth from its sun?  Whither is it moving now?  Whither are we moving now?  Away from all suns?  Are we not plunging continually?  Backward, sideward, forward in all directions?  Is there any up or down lift?  Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing?  Do we not feel the breath of empty space?  Has it not become colder?  Is not night and more night coming on all the while?”

In a similar fashion, the author of Ecclesiastes explores the meaning in the pursuits of life detached not from the center of the universe—the Sun—but from the center of life—God.  The world, in and of itself (“under the sun”), is without meaning, purpose, and significance.  All of its promises to fulfill never really deliver.  So, is there an answer to the question of meaning?

The answer to the question of meaning
After the author’s final refrain of, ‘“Meaningless!  Meaningless!’ says the teacher.  ‘Everything is meaningless,’” (12:8) he offers a solution to the hollow nature of a world without the transcendent personal God.  “Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.  For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil” (12:13-14).  The author turns the corner from seeing life as merely “under the sun” (where even ultimate justice is frustrated, Ch 9), to gaining an eternal perspective.  By adding the transcendent personal God to the equation, the author sees the pursuits of life for what they are—gifts from God, which, while never intended to satisfy us, were meant to arouse in us the desire for the One who stands as the source of all pursuits.

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Robert Leroe

“Vanity” Ecclesiastes 1:2-3 & 2:1-11 Pastor Bob Leroe, Cliftondale Congregational Church, Saugus, Massachusetts

He calls himself “the Teacher” and conveys the logical and tragic outcome of regarding life as a cosmic accident. Solomon offers his class only two options–a life of hopelessness, or trust in God.

The quote we’re most familiar with comes from verse 2, “All is vanity”. This word has been translated many ways. Your Bible might read “futile”, “empty”, “pointless”, “momentary”, or “meaningless”. The word literally means “breath” or “vapor”. The only other place this word appears is (appropriately) in Job. The Message translates vs 2, “There’s nothing to anything—it’s all smoke.” In the NT, James picks up on this when he asks a rhetorical question, “What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes” (4:14). James and Solomon weren’t existentialists, denying any purpose or meaning in human life; they were rather saying that life is empty, fleeting, transitory, and nothing matters–without God. Solomon exposes the insignificance and absurdity of life IF life were nothing more than what is seen “under the sun”.

While participating in a REFORGER, major field exercise in Germany, my Chaplain Assistant and I spent a lot of time on the road in our CUC-V, visiting various units comprising the 3rd Armored Division Support Command/DISCOM. At one location we arrived too late; our grid coordinates were correct, but all that remained was some evidence of maneuver damage. The battalion stayed at the site only 2 days, then left. That is how life appears without God—here briefly, and little remains when life is over.

In verse 3 Solomon ponders, “What do people gain for all their hard work under the sun?” I’ve heard many soldiers ask, “What’s the point of all we’re doing?” In a life lived without God, there’s no gain, no advantage, no meaning. Verse 11 of chapter 2 states, “there is no profit under the sun”; in other words, during one’s lifetime. Imagine reaching the end of your days, only to conclude that you accomplished nothing of value! Solomon could afford anything he desired, but discovered to his frustration how nothing he could buy brought happiness.

Absurdity and the Cross – Ravi Zacharias Ministry

February 21, 2013

Qoheleth shows us the futility of life without God. He makes us feel what life is like from an honest look at how things truly are. He gives us a severe picture of reality and suggests that God is still worth seeking somewhere in the midst of it. Even prior to the coming of the Messiah, Qoheleth paints our stark need for the God who is there.

Stuart McAllister is vice president of training and special projects at Ravi Zacharias International Ministries in Atlanta, Georgia.

Here is an interesting perspective below:

— In apologetics@yahoogroups.com, “yusefii” <yusefii@…> wrote:

I’m surprised. Ecclesiastes is a scathing and self-deprecating attack on
hedonism and secular humanism by a man who had obviously deeply considered if
not tried both as a way of life. The constant refrain “under the sun” expresses
the context and prespective from which the writer wishes his words to be
understood. In other words “if one takes the view that nothing exists beyond the
world we experience through our five senses” then all is meaningless, or vanity
or a chasing after the wind. Meaning, as opposed to value, only arises in a
wider and eternal context.

If all we had was this brief life, and if we had a true grasp of that fact, then
every second would be exquisitly, painfully, horrendously valuable to us, each
one gone never to return; but if we are born only to die, indeed if the universe
was born in a Big Bang only to die in a Big Crunch or the whimpering stillness
of an ever-expanding, dark, cold, void then, ultimately, everything in between
is completely meaningless.

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Coldplay’s song inspired by Ecclesiastes?

Ecclesiastes 8-10 | Still Searching After All These Years

Published on Oct 9, 2012

Calvary Chapel Spring Valley | Sunday Evening | October 7, 2012 | Pastor Derek Neider

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Ecclesiastes 11-12 | Solomon Finds His Way

Published on Oct 30, 2012

Calvary Chapel Spring Valley | Sunday Evening | October 28, 2012 | Pastor Derek Neider

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I have enjoyed going back and forth with the Arkansas Times Bloggers on many subjects over the years. Now I have discussed the subject of “The Meaning of Life” with them recently and I wanted to share some of this with you.

I have written on the Book of Ecclesiastes and the subject of the meaning of our lives on several occasions on this blog. In this series on Ecclesiastes I hope to show how secular humanist man can not hope to find a lasting meaning to his life in a closed system without bringing God back into the picture. This is the same exact case with Solomon in the Book of Ecclesiastes. Three thousand years ago, Solomon took a look at life “under the sun” in his book of Ecclesiastes. Christian scholar Ravi Zacharias has noted, “The key to understanding the Book of Ecclesiastes is the term ‘under the sun.’ What that literally means is you lock God out of a closed system, and you are left with only this world of time plus chance plus matter.”

On May 28, 2013 on the Arkansas Times Blog I posted the following:

Chris Martin of Coldplay revealed in his interview with Howard Stern that he was raised an evangelical Christian but he has left the church. I believe that many words that he puts in his songs today are generated from the deep seated Christian beliefs from his childhood that find their way out in his songs. The fact Coldplay’s songs deal so much with death and the search for meaning and purpose of life (similar to Solomon’s search in Ecclesiastes), and that our actions are being watched, and Chris describes different ways God tries to reveal himself to us, and many songs deal with trying to find a way to an afterlife and heaven, and he stills uses Christian terms like being “blessed” and “grateful.”

People are looking for a purpose for their lives even if they have millions in the bank and have the world at their finger tips.

https://thedailyhatch.org/2013/05/28/the-mo…

My usual opponent who I do respect goes by the username “NeverVoteRepublican” and he or her responded on May 28, 2013:

Saline–I don’t know what the heck Chris Martin’s religious beliefs have to do with anything but you sure know how to copy and paste. Do you even know who Chris Martin is or  anything about his music?

On June 3, 2013 on the Arkansas Times Blog I responded with the following:

Here is my answer:

Chris Martin was raised as an evangelical but he left the faith in his teenage years and he writes all of the songs for the rock band Coldplay and he does write a bunch of lyrics dealing with various subjects that suggest that he is searching for a lasting meaing to his life. It is my belief that he just can’t get away from his deep-seated childhood religious beliefs that he keeps coming back to. Over and over in Coldplay’s music you see Chris Martin putting in Biblical words such as Daniel in the Lions Den, Till Kingdom Come, Head on a silver plate, I know Saint Peter won’t call my name, and even the phrase “Under the Sun” from the Book of Ecclesiastes.” That brings me to the Coldplay song “World Turned Upside Down” when uses the phrase “And everything under the sun” six times. Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:14, “I have seen everything that is done under the sun. Look at it! It’s all pointless. [It’s like] trying to catch the wind.” Will Martin come to this same conclusion?

The song starts off with these words, “The land, sea, rivers, trees, the stars, the sky, That and this, We’re part of a bigger plan, Don’t know what it is, Don’t know what it is.” That reminds me of these words of Solomon from Ecclesiastes 3:11 says in the Amplified version:

“He (God) also has planted eternity in men’s hearts and minds [a divinely implanted sense of a purpose working through the ages which nothing under the sun but God alone can satisfy], yet so that men cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.”

Solomon opens the Book of Ecclesiastes with the same frustration that Chris Martin expresses in this song. Solomon notes:

One generation goes its way, the next one arrives,
    but nothing changes—it’s business as usual for old
        planet earth.
The sun comes up and the sun goes down,
    then does it again, and again—the same old round.
The wind blows south, the wind blows north.
    Around and around and around it blows,
    blowing this way, then that—the whirling, erratic wind.
All the rivers flow into the sea,
    but the sea never fills up.
The rivers keep flowing to the same old place,
    and then start all over and do it again.
Everything’s boring, utterly boring—
    no one can find any meaning in it.

Chris Martin also feels this same tension in his lyrics in the song “World Turned Upside Down” as he continues:

What is this feeling that I can't explain? 
And why am I never gonna sleep again? 
What is this thing I've never seen before? 
A little boy lost in a breaking storm, 
Pilots, up and away they fly 
To write your name in the summer sky 
Life has really only just begun, 
Life that comes 
And everything under the sun
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Rick Warden in his excellent article, "Philosophical Atheist, Before you Commit Suicide Read Ecclesiastes" observed:

The Jewish physicist Alan Sandage was an atheist most of his life but simply could not dispel all the evidence he had seen in the cosmos pointing to God’s necessary existence. He became a Christian at age 60, explaining, ”I could not live a life full of cynicism. I chose to believe, and a peace of mind came over me.” (The Telegraph, Allan Sandage (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/science-obituaries/8150004/Allan-Sandage.html). One of the reasons Sandage believed was the complexity of the universe: ”The world is too complicated in all its parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone.”( Leadership U, A Scientist Reflects on Religious Belief (http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth15.html)

It doesn’t take a great mind to understand what Solomon and Sandage knew, it only takes an open mind. Three decades ago, Stephen Hawking declared humanity was on the verge of discovering the “theory of everything”with a 50 per cent chance of knowing it by 2000. But by 2010 Hawking had given up hope. ( New Scientist, Stephen Hawking says there’s no theory of everything,  September 2, 2010)

If only Hawking had read the book of Ecclesiastes, he could have saved a lot of wasted time: “He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.”( Ecclesiastes 3:11 NIV) Hawking is a good example showing that intelligence and wisdom are two very distinct things.

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Solomon does bring God back into the picture in the last chapter after looking at “life under the sun” without God in the picture in the first 11 chapters. Michael Gowens comments:

Ecclesiastes does not end on this pessimistic note, however. After analyzing the futility of life without God, the Preacher affirms that life lived with a conscious awareness of God is supremely meaningful: “Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth” the Preacher counsels (12:1).

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I am hoping that both Stephen Hawking and Chris Martin also bring God back in the picture as they continue their searches for a lasting meaning to life.

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Coldplay – World Turned Upside Down

Published on Aug 26, 2012

World Turned Upside Down Coldplay Lyrics

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The World Turned Upside Down

X & Y
The land, sea, rivers, trees, the stars, the sky 
That and this 
We're part of a bigger plan 
Don't know what it is 
Don't know what it is 

You and me 
The land, sun, trees, the sky, the stars, the sea 
365 degrees 
I am a puzzle you're the missing piece 
Hang on a minute just a minute please 
I'll come 
And everything under the sun 
And everything under the sun 

What is this feeling that I can't explain? 
And why am I never gonna sleep again? 
What is this thing I've never seen before? 
A little boy lost in a breaking storm 
Pilots, up and away they fly 
To write your name in the summer sky 
Life has really only just begun 
Life that comes 
And everything under the sun 

X is Y 
The land, sea, rivers, trees, the stars, the sky 
365 degrees 
All of the surface and the underneath 

ah 
And everything under the sun 
And everything under the sun 

What is this feeling that I can't explain? 
And why am I never gonna sleep again? 
What is this thing I've never seen before? 
A little boy lost in a breaking storm 
Pilots up and away they fly 
To write your name in the summer sky 
Life has really only just begun 
Life that comes 
And everything under the sun 

And you don't know that you've been born 
Can't see the calm until the storm 
Can't tell your right side from your wrong 
Can't see the wave you're riding on

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Grady Fish Fry is a big success in 2013!!!!!!

Grady Fish Fry

Published on Aug 15, 2013

We visit the annual fish fry at Hardin Farms in Grady, Ark., where the hushpuppies are popping, the Cummins band is playing and the politicians are plentiful. We have brief chat with Arkansas House District 16 candidate Ken Ferguson.

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I had a good visit down at  the Grady Fish Fry with the many politicians that showed again this year. I got to visit with both Republican candidates for State auditor  Rep. Andrea Lea, R-Russellville,  and Ken Yang of Benton, with both candidates for State treasurer, Dennis Millingan of Bryant and Duncan Baird of Fayetteville.

Asa Hutchinson took time to let my son Wilson get his picture with him.

I got to introduce Robert Venable to Rex Nelson, and Robert has never missed a Grady Fish Fry!!! Rex asked him if there had ever been one this cool and he said that had not been even one that he can remember this nice and cool. A lady sitting across from me said that she usually skipped the Grady Fish Fry because it was usually  too hot but this year she came out. Mr. Venable also said that the fish fry had never been rained out before.
That was partly because of the beautiful large trees in the Ned Hardin Pecan Grove. When I was walking up to the Grady Fish Fry yesterday I commented to my son Wilson, “I wonder when these trees were planted,” The fellow behind me answered, “Mr. Hardin is 93 years old and he said his father planted them over 100 years ago.”

My friend Sherwood Haisty Jr., was born and raised in Grady and he pointed Mr. Hardin out to me later and Robert Venable is Sherwood’s uncle. Senators Boozman and Pryor both attended and we got to visit with both of them. When I told Senator Pryor that Mr. Venable had never missed a fish fry, he commented that he felt like he had made all of them too since he enjoyed them so much. Then I mentioned a story about a mutual friend of ours who had helped the Broom man Melvin Pickens out a couple of years ago by having several friends come over and by brooms from him. By the time we told a couple of stories it was time to move on to the next politician. In Grady there is always a long line waiting for the catfish and after you get the catfish you have the long line of politicians waiting for you inside!!!!

Grady fish fry stirs appetites, politicians

Pryor, Hutchinson among minglers

By Sarah D. Wire

This article was published today at 5:58 a.m.

GRADY – On a surprisingly cool Thursday evening in August, U.S. Sen. Mark Pryor spoke with constituents under pecan trees heavy with nuts at an annual must-attend event for many politicians.

The Democrat called it “getting his marching orders” as he tucked scribbled notes into his pockets.

The 58th annual Grady Lions Club Fish Fry drew hundreds to the Hardin Farm outside the 523-person town south of Pine Bluff off U.S. 65. Attendees sat at long picnic tables wrapped in paper, eating fried catfish, hush puppies, fries, coleslaw and watermelon. Occasionally, they stopped to shake hands or talk to the politicians circulating through the crowd.

Aside from Pryor, several other politicians made the rounds. Republican candidate for governor Asa Hutchinson of Rogers balanced a chunk of watermelon in one hand as he greeted people. State auditor candidate Rep. Andrea Lea, R-Russellville, handed out campaign stickers; Rep. Johnny Key, R-Mountain Home, cracked jokes; and treasurer candidate Dennis Milligan mingled as people ate their catfish.

Pryor’s 2014 opponent, U.S. Rep. Tom Cotton, a Republican from Dardanelle, is in Israel this week but said Wednesday that he plans to attend the fish fry next year.

Pryor, who is seeking a third term, said he’s attended the fish fry at least a dozen times.

“I try to make it every year I can,” Pryor said. “It’s a great event. You see the whole community roll out. It’s just part of Arkansas, and it’s a little bit part of Arkansas politics.”

U.S. Sen. John Boozman of Rogers agreed. He said he first attended during the 2010 campaign. The first term Republican attended this year even though he isn’t up for re-election until 2016.

“People are so nice, there’s so much good food to eat, good fellowship, and tonight the weather’s just perfect,” he said. “This is what America’s all about.”

Light bulbs strung between pecan trees flickered as a four-member band made up of Cummins Unit prisoners played “Old Time Rock and Roll” by Bob Seger.

Arkansas, Pages 9 on 08/16/2013

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Grady Fish Fry tonight from 4pm to 8:30pm!!!!

Grady Fish Fry is Thursday

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Posted by Patty Wooten on 08/12/2013 at 10:36 am

One of Southeast Arkansas’ favorite and time-honored traditions gets underway Thursday afternoon when the Grady Lions Club hosts its 58th annual fish fry. Every year, on the third Thursday in August, people from all over the state travel to Grady to enjoy fried catfish, fries, watermelon, and hushpuppies made with their famous hushpuppy machine. Read Seark Today’s coverage of last year’s fish fry to learn more about this great Southeast Arkansas tradition. The event gets underway at 4 p.m. on Hardin Farms in Grady.

________Grady Fish Fry tonight from 4pm to 8:30pm!!!! I was sad to learn that the 56th Grady Fish Fry fell on the week I was gone to Boston. In 2010 I got to go and enjoyed meeting all the politicians like Pryor, Boozman, Lincoln, Darr and many others. In 2011 Pryor was back again. I expect to see him again tonight. A couple of years ago I introduced Rex Nelson to Sherwood Haisty and Rex wrote a fine article on Mr. Haisty’s involvement with the Grady Fish Fry.

Uploaded on Oct 2, 2011

Briley Byers dancing at the Grady Fish Fry, August 2011

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Cummins Prison Band

Published on Aug 17, 2012

Cummins Prison Band playing at the Grady Fish Fry in Grady, Arkansas on August 16, 2012
Seark Today

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Grady Fish Fry Hushpuppy Machine Demo

Published on Aug 16, 2012

Demonstration of the custom made hushpuppy machine used for 57 years at the annual Grady Fish Fry in Grady, Arkansas.

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Time: 4:00 PM
Address: Ned Hardin Pecan Grove,  Grady,  AR
Description: Money raised from this annual event allows the Grady Lions Club to provide college scholarships, pay for eye exams and pay for glasses for those who could not otherwise afford them.

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I have put up lots of cartoons from Dan Mitchell’s blog before and they have got lots of hits before. Many of them have dealt with the economy, eternal unemployment benefits, socialism,  Greece,  welfare state or on gun control.

All statists want much bigger government, but not all of them are honest about how to finance a Greek-sized welfare state.

The President, for instance, wants us to believe that the rich are some sort of fiscal pinata, capable of generating endless amounts of tax revenue.

Using IRS tax data, I’ve shown that this is a very inaccurate assumption. And I’ve also used IRS data to show the President that there are big Laffer-Curve effects when you try to rape and pillage high-income Americans.

Heck, even the Europeans have realized that you can only squeeze so much blood from that stone.

Notwithstanding the misleading rhetoric from the Obama Administration, there are some honest folks on the left who understand and acknowledge that you can’t have bigger government unless you put ordinary people on the chopping block.

The New York Times seems really fixated on screwing Joe Lunchbucket. Here are some excerpts from an editorial in today’s paper.

…new taxes on high-income Americans are a matter of necessity and fairness; they are also a necessary precondition to what in time will have to be tax increases on the middle class. …As the economy strengthens and the population ages, more taxes will be needed from further down the income scale… But there will never be a consensus for more taxes from the middle class without imposing higher taxes on wealthy Americans, who have enjoyed low taxes for a long time.

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I have put up lots of cartons and posters from Dan Mitchell’s blog before and they have got lots of hits before. Many of them have dealt with the economy, eternal unemployment benefits, socialism,  Greece,  welfare state or on gun control. On 2-6-13 the Arkansas Times Blogger “Sound Policy” suggested,  “All churches that wish to allow concealed […]

Taking on Ark Times bloggers on the issue of “gun control” (Part 3) “Did Hitler advocate gun control?”

Gun Free Zones???? Stalin and gun control On 1-31-13 ”Arkie” on the Arkansas Times Blog the following: “Remember that the biggest gun control advocate was Hitler and every other tyrant that every lived.” Except that under Hitler, Germany liberalized its gun control laws. __________ After reading the link  from Wikipedia that Arkie provided then I responded: […]

Taking on Ark Times bloggers on the issue of “gun control” (Part 2) “Did Hitler advocate gun control?”

On 1-31-13 I posted on the Arkansas Times Blog the following: I like the poster of the lady holding the rifle and next to her are these words: I am compensating for being smaller and weaker than more violent criminals. __________ Then I gave a link to this poster below: On 1-31-13 also I posted […]