Taking on Ark Times Bloggers on various issues Part Y “Founders believed in future punishments and awards in an afterlife”(includes the film ABORTION OF THE HUMAN RACE and editorial cartoon)

I have gone back and forth and back and forth with many liberals on the Arkansas Times Blog on many issues such as abortion, human rights, welfare, poverty, gun control  and issues dealing with popular culture. Here is another exchange I had with them a while back. My username at the Ark Times Blog is Saline Republican.

On the Arkansas Times Blog on 3-7-13 the person using the username “Silverback66” wrote:

The “Christians” can’t even agree among themselves what day to hold church. Why should they presume to dictate to the rest of us?

The fetus-worshippers are just a subset of the prohibitionists. They want to put the rest of us in jail for disagreeing with them.

I responded:

Silberback66 you need to read more of the writings of the founders. Joseph Story and many other founders talked about ” a future state of rewards and punishments” which does remind me a lot of the Woody Allen movie “Crimes and Misdemeanors”and the issues covered in that film. Here are some more quotes from the founders and I bet you will like this one from James McHenry a lot because he also touches on the same thing Joseph Story did (also Benjamin Rush, John Quincy Adams):

James McHenry

Signer of the Constitution

[P]ublic utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, THE PUNISHMENT THEY THREATEN, THE REWARDS THEY PROMISE, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.

(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, One Hundred and Ten Years of Bible Society Work in Maryland, 1810-1920 (Maryland Bible Society, 1921), p. 14.)

John Quincy Adams

Sixth President of the United States

The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes . . . of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.

(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams, to His Son, on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), p. 61.)

There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a FUTURE STATE OF REWARDS AND PUNISHMENTS. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark. The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy.

(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams to His Son on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), pp. 22-23.)

Benjamin Rush

Signer of the Declaration of Independence

The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.

(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), p. 8.)

We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government, that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by the means of the Bible. For this Divine Book, above all others, favors that equality among mankind, that respect for just laws, and those sober and frugal virtues, which constitute the soul of republicanism.

(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Printed by Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), pp. 93-94.)

By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. . . . It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. . . . All systems of religion, morals, and government not founded upon it [the Bible] must perish, and how consoling the thought, it will not only survive the wreck of these systems but the world itself. “The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” [Matthew 1:18]

(Source: Benjamin Rush, Letters of Benjamin Rush, L. H. Butterfield, editor (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1951), p. 936, to John Adams, January 23, 1807.)

Remember that NATIONAL CRIMES REQUIRE NATIONAL PUNISHMENTS AND WITHOUT DECLARING WHAT PUNISHMENT AWAITS THIS EVIL, YOU MAY VENTURE TO ASSURE THEM THAT IT CANNOT PASS WITH IMPUNITY, UNLESS GOD SHALL CEASE TO BE JUST or merciful.

(Source: Benjamin Rush, An Address to the Inhabitants of the British Settlements in America Upon Slave-Keeping (Boston: John Boyles, 1773), p. 30.)

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Even Chris Martin of the musical group Coldplay had to realize that evil rulers like Hitler have to pay for their sins in the afterlife in a  place of punishment. Even though Martin left his Christian unbringing behind because of the teaching of hell, when it came to the evil ruler in his song “Viva La Vida” Martin says “Saint Peter will not call his name” or in Martin’s words “eternal damnation” was his fate.  

In the film series “WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE HUMAN RACE?” the arguments are presented  against abortion (Episode 1),  infanticide (Episode 2),   euthenasia (Episode 3), and then there is a discussion of the Christian versus Humanist worldview concerning the issue of “the basis for human dignity” in Episode 4 and then in the last episode a close look at the truth claims of the Bible.

Francis Schaeffer

Francis Schaeffer: “Whatever Happened to the Human Race” (Episode 1) ABORTION OF THE HUMAN RACE

Published on Oct 6, 2012 by

Francis Schaeffer got me interested in the pro-life movement.

Roe v. Wade: Creating a Battleground

Stephen and Candice McGarvey

Part one in a two-part series on how America was affected by the infamous Supreme Court decision concerning abortion, and what is being done to return America to a culture of life.

In 1976, three years after the U.S. Supreme Court passed Roe v. Wade, Francis Schaeffer predicted where the acceptance of abortion would take American society. More importantly he knew the root of problem.

In his book How Should We Then Live, the 20th Century’s foremost Christian philosopher explained that when America’s legal system rejected the idea of moral absolutes, arbitrary consensus became the new basis of law. This being the case, it’s not hard to see that law is embracing many heinous things, including not only the removal of legal protection from the unborn, said Schaeffer, but also euthanasia, infanticide and harvesting body parts from those who are brain dead.

Now that America is 30 years down the road from the Roe v. Wade decision, we can better see how Schaeffer was right. Abortion’s negative impact on American culture is obvious.

Abortion Since 1973
In 30 years, over 40 million infants have lost their lives at the behest of their mothers. Abortion’s high tide was reached in 1980 and 1981 when the rate was 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44.  According to a survey released last week by Planned Parenthood’s Alan Guttmacher Institute, the rate of abortion has now reached its lowest point in 29 years.  In 2000, the number of women who had abortions was 21.3 for every 1,000 women.

While the slowing trend is good news to the pro-life community, the cumulative number of abortions since 1973 weighs heavily.  In 14 metropolitan areas of the United States, there are more babies aborted than there are live births.  The National Right to Life Committee reports that partial birth abortions have tripled since 1996 to at least 2,200 performed in 2000.

Abortion, Feminism and Roe
The Supreme Court passed Roe v. Wade during the culmination of a rising influence of the women’s rights movement and the abandoning of moral absolutes in American law.  Surprisingly, however, the support for abortion at the time was not widespread. Hadley Arkes, Professor of Jurisprudence and American Institutions at Amherst College says, “In the early days after Roe v. Wade … we never expected it would last as long as it has.  With the sentiment in Congress and the (public’s) reaction at the time, we really expected that this thing would be overturned with a constitutional amendment.”

It wasn’t.  Now this fatal choice is considered a right, indeed an “entitlement.” Indeed, feminists would have society believe that this ultimate act of selfishness is actually part of the Constitution. In the book, Feminism: Mystique or Mistake, author Diane Passno says, “The secular feminist agenda thrives in a postmodern culture, since the movement is basically selfish or self-centered in nature.  It’s all about women and what they want, and has nothing to do with what is healthy for all members of the culture…”

The feminist ideology that backed the push for legalized abortion has indoctrinated our society with the image of women as powerful.  And yet, the exact opposite is true in the case of a woman who wants abortion. Passno writes, “If feminists want women to be perceived as masters of their own destiny, then why are irresponsibility and lack of self-control the reasons behind most elective abortions?” In pregnancy (except for the miniscule number of pregnancies caused by rape), a woman has contributed to her predicament by accepting a sexual proposition.  Society is expected to pity her because her recreation resulted in an ironic twist of feminism.

Roe gave women a rallying point to claim equality with men on issues related to childbirth. For thousands of years a man could physically walk away from a pregnancy with little outside consequence. Now for the first time women could seemingly walk away from that unwanted pregnancy as well.

Abortion’s Effect on Men
In an interview on KUED-TV in Salt Lake City, women’s rights activist Gloria Steinem articulated the feminist view of utopia for our society, “We’ve had a lot of people in this country who have had the courage to raise their daughters more like theirs sons.  Which is great because it means they’re more equal.  But there are many fewer people who have had the courage to raise their sons more like their daughters.  And that’s what needs to be done.”

Today’s man lives in a world of confusion over what is expected of him. Rosemary Bottcher, author of Feminism: Bewitched by Abortion sums up the double standard saying, “A man is expected to be mature when he fathers a child; he is expected to endure inconvenience and hardship … But the woman, according to feminists, is so selfish, immature, irrational and hysterical that she cannot stand the fact of nine months of inconvenience in order to bring life to another person … or to some other family who might adopt that child.”

The feminist movement made sure that our entire society condones a woman’s killing of an unborn child. If a man is caught running away from the responsibility of a child, he is chastised.  But a woman has the “right” to escape the consequences of a carefree lifestyle.

Hope for the Future
In the three full decades since the Roe decision, technological advances have carried our debate over life issues to new levels. Just as Francis Schaffer predicted, issues like euthanasia (doctor-assisted suicide), stem cell research and cloning are now dominating headlines. Yet the technology many use to further a culture of death in America may become a double-edged sword.

General Electric, perhaps inadvertently, is teaching people that wombs hold much more than “tissue.” There, during the primetime hours of network television, many of us got our first glimpse what resides in a womb, and it looked like a child.  As General Electric ran ads for their new 4-D Ultrasound technology, viewers were greeted by an active preborn baby with distinct features.  Singers set the mood with a voiceover of “The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face.”

Kellyanne Conway, president and CEO of the Polling Group, points out, “Did you ever notice that even the people in Hollywood name their babies in the fourth month of pregnancy.”

A preborn baby that is wanted by its mother is a “baby,” and any other preborn is a fetus. The test for what is alive becomes, “Is it wanted by someone?”

As we see the couple in the GE commercial marveling at their baby’s first photo, taken several months before the child’s birth, it becomes harder to deny that baby’s humanness.  It becomes apparent that the preborn baby in the womb is alive, regardless of the mindset of its mother.

Stephen and Candice McGarvey are freelance writers living in Northern Virginia.

In part II of this article, we will talk about what America’s pro-life advocates are doing to on several fronts to fight against the effects of Roe v. Wade.

In our society today we have made it easier to go get an abortion as a minor than go to a local movie . Here is an editorial cartoon that touches on that subject:

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