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Taking on Ark Times bloggers about abortion on the 40th anniversary date of Roe v. Wade (Part 4) “How do pro-lifers react to the movie THE CIDER HOUSE RULES?”

Francis Schaeffer pictured above._________

In the film series “WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE HUMAN RACE?” the arguments are presented  against abortion (Episode 1),  infanticide (Episode 2),   euthanasia (Episode 3), and then there is a discussion of the Christian versus Humanist worldview concerning the issue of “the basis for human dignity” in Episode 4 and then in the last episode a close look at the truth claims of the Bible.

Francis Schaeffer: How Should We Then Live? (Full-Length Documentary)

Francis Schaeffer Whatever Happened to the Human Race (Episode 1) ABORTION

Francis Schaeffer: What Ever Happened to the Human Race? (Full-Length Documentary)

Part 1 on abortion runs from 00:00 to 39:50, Part 2 on Infanticide runs from 39:50 to 1:21:30, Part 3 on Youth Euthanasia runs from 1:21:30 to 1:45:40, Part 4 on the basis of human dignity runs from 1:45:40 to 2:24:45 and Part 5 on the basis of truth runs from 2:24:45 to 3:00:04

Dr. Francis schaeffer – The flow of Materialism(from Part 4 of Whatever happened to human race?)

Dr. Francis Schaeffer – The Biblical flow of Truth & History (intro)

Francis Schaeffer – The Biblical Flow of History & Truth (1)

Dr. Francis Schaeffer – The Biblical Flow of Truth & History (part 2)

Over the years I have taken on the Ark Times liberal bloggers over and over and over concerning the issue of abortion. I asked over and over again for one liberal blogger to come forward and tell me when they thought an unborn baby should be protected by our government and finally I got someone to do that. In fact, several stepped forward.

On 1-24-13 I took on the child abuse argument put forth by Ark Times Blogger “Deathbyinches,” and the day before I pointed out that because the unborn baby has all the genetic code at  the time of conception that they will have for the rest of their life many scientists were pro-life.

On 1-24-13 the person using the username “the outlier” posted on the same Arkansas Times Blog thread this is response to what I had written earlier:

So, Saline, it sounds like you are in favor of some sort of criminal punishment. Since so many of your fellow anti-abortionists think that life begins when a sperm and ovum unite, it’s going to be difficult to enforce. Makers of hormonal birth control would be “guilty” of murder if they continued manufacturing and distributing them.

Saline, abortion has been with us forever. Ancient herbalists and healers knew how to induce it. A good novel that addresses the issue is “The Cider House Rules”. It’s about an old abortionist who also runs an orphanage. He believed in choice. He performed abortions because he wanted it done right and safely. He also provided a place where a woman could safely have their baby and put it up for adoption. If you have your way, women will start dying again or be maimed for life.

I’ve never had to make the “choice”, but I can imagine lots of cases where I would choose to abort. In some of those cases, abortion is the ONLY moral choice. Nothing is “God’s will”. Xtianists say everything bad that happens to them is God’s will. Not a god worthy of worship in my view.

I’m continually amazed at people like you who insert yourself into this most personal of decisions. You really should find another “cause”. There are plenty of them where you could actually improve the world. Getting behind easy access to birth control would be a start. People have been screwing forever, too, Saline. That’s not likely to stop anytime soon.

You are very wobbly in your answer. You don’t live in a black and white world, Saline.

I replied:

That is a thoughtful response, Outlier, and I am aware of “The Cider House Rules” and I consider it to be one of the best arguments for your view. The lady that gets the abortion then commits murder and runs away angry. It is my view the lady should have had the baby and gave it to the orphanage. Those who are guilty of rape or incest should face the stiffest penalty possible. The key issue is: IS THE UNBORN CHILD A PERSON WORTHY OF LEGAL PROTECTION FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND IF SO WHEN, 3 MONTHS, ETC? If it is then to abort it is to be selfish and choose our selfish desires over the life of another person.

Here is what MovieGuide.org had to say about “The Cider House Rules’:

Release Date: January 7th, 2000

Starring: Tobey Maguire, Charlize Theron, Delroy Lindo, Paul Rudd, Michael Caine, Erykah Badu, Kieran Culkin, Kate Nelligan, & Heavy D

Genre: Drama

Audience: Teenagers to adults

Rating: PG-13

Runtime: 126

Address Comments To:

Harvey and Robert Weinstein, Co-Chairmen
Miramax Films
Tribeca Film Center
375 Greenwich Street
New York, NY 10013-2338
(212) 941-3800

Content:

(AbAbAb, PCPCPC, PaPaPa, RHRH, L, VV, SS, NN, DD, M) Strong anti-biblical, politically-correct, pagan worldview espousing endless pro-abortion preaching plus historical revisionism of American society in World War II; 7 obscenities & 2 profanities; murder by stabbing, fist-fighting & gory view of stitches; depicted adultery & implied incest; rear male & rear female nudity; drug abuse (ether) & smoking; and, deceit & lying.

Summary:

THE CIDER HOUSE RULES uses its homespun, ”Hallmark-Hall-of-Fame” approach to celebrate the “virtues” of abortion as a young man named Homer Wells learns how to perform abortions and then is given his own opportunity to do so. With blatant propaganda, premarital sex, unwed pregnancy, liberal politically-correct attitudes, MOVIEGUIDE® readers would be ill advised to view this two-hour valentine to abortion advocates.

Review:

Let MOVIEGUIDE® readers be warned: many critics will sing the praises of THE CIDER HOUSE RULES, the latest dramatization of a John Irving novel. They will call it “heartwarming” and “uplifting.” But, this modern-day parable is, in truth, an appalling movie. THE CIDER HOUSE RULES uses its homespun, ”Hallmark-Hall-of-Fame” approach to celebrate the “virtues” of abortion.THE CIDER HOUSE RULES tells the tale of Homer Wells (Toby Maguire), a young man growing up in a remote orphanage in rural Maine. Doctor Larch (Michael Caine), an ether-abusing but kindly man, runs the orphanage and serves as a surrogate father to his charges. He considers Homer to be his protegee and trains him in medical skills until Homer can deliver babies and perform surgery with aplomb. Yet, the doctor and Homer differ on one issue: Dr. Larch performs abortions, which Homer insists is wrong. Homer argues that, if abortion were legal, he himself might have been aborted and that he is “happy to be alive.” The doctor insists that the young mothers who come to him are desperate and that he simply “gives them what they want” instead of telling them what to do, because “doing nothing” is wrong. “Our duty is not to leave things to chance,” he admonishes Homer. He claims, like all abortion advocates, that, if he does not give these women what they want, they will seek the procedure from amateurs and end up injured from a botched attempt. (Abortion advocates apparently fail to realize, or choose to ignore, the fact that such back-alley blunders were rare before abortion became legal. In the year before Roe vs. Wade took effect, only 39 women in the entire United States sought treatment for injuries incurred after failed abortion attempts.)One day a young couple, Wally and Candy (Paul Rudd and Charlize Theron), arrive at the orphanage to take advantage of Doctor Larch’s “services.” Homer finds himself smitten with Candy, and, once Candy’s abortion has been performed, asks the young lovers if he can leave the orphanage with them, wherever they may be going. Without showing any previous signs of restlessness, Homer has abruptly decided to trade his isolated yet secure home for the unknown excitement of the real world.Wally and Candy take Homer to Wally’s parents’ orchard, where Homer decides to accept the unlikely position of apple picker. Wally, a soldier, soon leaves to go back to fight in World War II. Predictably, Homer and the lonely Candy soon begin a secret but uninteresting affair largely based on sex. The once-virginal Homer also learns to smoke and begins to question his moral view of the world.

Homer befriends his fellow apple pickers, who are migrants, and lives, eats and socializes with them in the cider house. Interestingly, the filmmakers never seem to question the likelihood that the bright, medically trained Homer would want to spend all of his waking hours with a group of illiterate, itinerant workers. The movie’s scenes of Homer dining chummily with his new pals are often almost laughably incongruous.

It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to foresee an event that soon rocks Homer’s world: one of the apple pickers, the unmarried Rose (an almost unrecognizable Erykah Badu), becomes pregnant. Homer finds out that Rose’s own father, the seemingly upstanding, intelligent Mr. Rose (Delroy Lindo), is guilty of impregnating her. Homer offers to take Rose to see Dr. Larch, but she insists that she “can’t go nowhere.” She also insists that she does not want to have her baby, and her reasoning is never questioned. It remains entirely unclear and unexamined why she could not have the child and give it to the orphanage. She is instead portrayed as a helpless victim who can’t be expected to think or to behave responsibly. Thus, Homer, faced with the dilemma of aborting Rose’s baby or “doing nothing,” chooses to follow in his mentor’s footsteps and perform the abortion.

Alas, Homer’s supposedly noble deed works no magic. The summary elimination of her baby does nothing to better Rose’s situation. As she recovers in bed, her father reaches out to comfort her. She panics, stabs him to death and then runs away. Although Homer’s abortion works no wonders and may have even worsened the situation, his choice is depicted as “good” simply because he elected to do something, no matter how misguided or abjectly wrong that action was.

All of this soul-searching and changing of heart eventually prompt Homer to return to the orphanage. There, he assumes Dr. Larch’s position as head of the institution and, presumably, abortionist extraordinaire after the doctor’s untimely death of an ether overdose. His journey to the world and back is painted as a rite of passage, from young naïf to worldly-wise man.

THE CIDER HOUSE RULES is offensive on so many levels. Its insidious manipulation of its audience with blatant symbolism and heart-tugging scenes, of orphans yearning for parents, of Homer picking shiny red apples in gorgeous mountain settings, of frantic young girls pleading with Dr. Larch for help, all in the name of abortion, is simply sickening. Even the movie’s title supports the pro-abortion theme. The “cider house rules” are a list of rules in the house where the migrant workers live and make cider. The workers burn the list, because “those rules weren’t written by the people who live here [in the cider house].” (Never mind that they were written by the people who own the cider house. Another vote for anarchy from the libertine left!) The analogy is obvious: since pregnant women (i.e., the keepers of the womb) were not the authors of abortion laws, the laws should be ignored and defied. Once the cider house rules have been destroyed, the workers declare that they will make their own rules, “every single day.”

THE CIDER HOUSE RULES has other knee-jerk liberal politically-correct elements. Homer’s epiphany about his oh-so-misguided anti-abortion views results from the time he spends with “simple folk,” but he doesn’t stay with the little people forever. He goes back home, just as so many white liberals go back to their suburban McMansions feeling enlightened after they’ve assuaged their guilt in a soup kitchen for an evening. Now that he has gained wisdom from commoners, he can return to the cloistered world of the orphanage to exercise his newfound morality upon the simple folk by killing their babies.

Another bothersome element is the theme of incest. When will Hollywood stop using incest as a contrived plot device whose only real contribution is titillation? And, when will movies cease depicting incest as common, practically ubiquitous? Both murder and incest are dangerously hovering toward banality in Hollywood. Mr. Rose shows no signs of being a depraved pervert, so his dastardly deed implies that incest could lurk in all men’s hearts, regardless of their apparent morals. Rose shows no suggestion of hatred or anger toward her father, then up and stabs him, as if anyone could commit murder under the right circumstances. Premarital sex and unwed pregnancy are also rampant in this movie, despite its World War II setting.

Obviously, MOVIEGUIDE® readers would be ill-advised to view this two-hour valentine to abortion advocates. It is especially galling that this movie arrives at theaters just when people are celebrating the birth of a technically illegitimate Child: Jesus Christ. If abortion activists had had their way, Mary would have scraped the Messiah into the sink.

In Brief:

THE CIDER HOUSE RULES uses a homespun approach to celebrate the “virtues” of abortion. Homer Wells is a young man growing up in an orphanage in rural Maine. Doctor Larch runs the orphanage and serves as a surrogate father to his charges. Dr. Larch performs abortions, which Homer insists is wrong. In time, Homer moves away from the orphanage, commits adultery with a married woman and is faced with a chance to do his own abortion. Eventually, Homer returns to the orphanage and assumes Dr. Larch’s position as head of the abortion mill slash orphanage.THE CIDER HOUSE RULES is offensive on many levels. It insidiously manipulates viewers with blatant symbolism, heart-tugging scenes and votes for anarchy. Homer goes back home, just as so many white liberals go home after they’ve assuaged their guilt in a soup kitchen for an evening. Another bothersome element is the theme of incest. Premarital sex and unwed pregnancy are also rampant, despite the World War II setting. Obviously, moviegoers would be ill-advised to view this two-hour valentine to abortion advocates. If abortion activists had had their way, Mary would have scraped the Messiah into the sink.Related posts:

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