Tim Tebow verses and interviews

Another good article I read on Tebow:

By PATTON DODD

On a brisk Thursday evening in mid-November, I sat high in the stands at a Denver Broncos home game, covering the ears of my 4-year-old son as the fans around us launched f-bombs at Tim Tebow, the Broncos’ struggling second-year quarterback. Mr. Tebow was ineffective and off-target for most of the game, and one of his more voluble and obnoxious critics was standing right in front of us.

Photos: The Tim Tebow Phenomenon

Associated PressTebow reacts after running in for a two-point conversion during the second half of an NFL football game against the Minnesota Vikings on Dec. 4.

But the heckler’s friend wasn’t joining in. “Just wait until the end of the fourth quarter,” he said. “That’s Tebow time.”

And so it was. In the waning moments against the New York Jets, Mr. Tebow manufactured a 95-yard game-winning drive, punctuated by his own 20-yard touchdown dash. He brought the Broncos back from imminent defeat, just as he had done in previous weeks against the Miami Dolphins, Oakland Raiders and Kansas City Chiefs.

And when the shouting was over, Mr. Tebow did what he always does—he pointed skyward and took a knee in prayer. In postgame interviews, the young quarterback often starts by saying, “First, I’d like to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” and ends with “God bless.” He stresses that football is just a game and that God doesn’t care who wins or loses.

This combination of candid piety and improbable success on the field has made Mr. Tebow the most-discussed phenomenon of the National Football League season. Most expert analysts still consider him poor material for a pro quarterback. An inexperienced passer with awkward throwing mechanics and the build of a fullback, he likes to run over defensive players, which is a no-no in the NFL, whose starting quarterbacks are expensive and hard to come by.

But onward he and the Broncos have marched, winning six of their last seven games and now tied for the lead in their division as they face the Chicago Bears this Sunday. Mr. Tebow continues to defy his critics—and to embody the anxieties over religion that are dividing today’s sports world and embroiling players and fans alike.

Earlier

Tiger Woods and the NFL’s Tim Tebow may make for strange bedfellows, but they lit up the weekend’s highlight reels. WSJ’s Jason Gay joins Mean Street host Evan Newmark to look at how each athlete mounted a dramatic comeback. (Photo: AP)

(Video originally published on Dec. 5. 2011.)

Sports culture is among the most fervently religious sectors of American life. If you turn on ESPN’s “SportsCenter” almost any night, you will see baseball players who point to heaven after a clutch hit and basketball players like the Orlando Magic’s Dwight Howard, who once intimated that a playoff series victory against the Boston Celtics was proof of God’s presence with his team.

These claims by athletes—”God helped me do that” or “I thank God that I was able to do that”—are so commonplace that they usually draw little notice. Most sports fans seem to think that such religious talk doesn’t really affect how the games are played or credit it with a powerful placebo effect. So what if Adrian Gonzalez of the Boston Red Sox has a Bible verse inscribed on his bat? Fine—whatever helps him to hit the long ball.

The Gospel According to Tebow

A selection of the biblical verses that Tim Tebow wrote in his eyeblack during his college football days.

John 3:16
Jan. 8, 2009 vs. Oklahoma Sooners:

  • “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Ephesians 4:32
Oct. 24, 2009 vs. Mississippi State Bulldogs:

  • “And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.”

Romans 1:16
Nov. 21, 2009 vs. Florida International Golden Panthers:

  • “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

But Mr. Tebow has never been content to leave his evangelical faith on the field. Well before he became the starting quarterback for Denver, he was a lightning rod in America’s intermittent culture war of believers vs. secularists.

In 2010, while still at the University of Florida (where he won the Heisman Trophy and helped the Gators to win two national championships), Mr. Tebow filmed a Super Bowl commercial for Focus on the Family, the mega-ministry known for its conservative political advocacy. The ad is about how Mr. Tebow’s mother was advised to abort her son following a placental abruption, but she refused and, well, now we have Tim Tebow.

The ad takes the softest possible approach to the subject and never uses the terms “abortion” or “pro-life,” but its intent was clear, and it generated controversy. Since then, feelings about Mr. Tebow have been a litmus test of political and social identity. If you think he’s destined to be a winner, you must be a naive evangelical. If you question his long-term chances as an NFL quarterback, you must hate people who love Jesus.

The intertwining of religion and sports is nothing new in American culture. Both basketball and volleyball were invented by men involved with chapters of the Young Men’s Christian Association in Massachusetts. Or consider the pioneering college coach Amos Alonzo Stagg (1862-1965), who created the batting cage in baseball, five-man teams for basketball and several of the standard aspects of football, from the man in motion, lateral pass and Statue of Liberty play to helmets, tackling dummies and names on uniforms.

The historian Clifford Putney has written that Stagg and his contemporaries combined faith with sports and competition because they believed that God wanted people to live healthy, vigorous lives. They believed that sports could help to make people good and thereby bring them closer to what God intended for them.

As Michael Lewis reports in his 2006 book “The Blind Side,” one of the standard problems of today’s top athletes—one of the main threats to long careers—is defective character. He offers a depressing list of high-school football standouts who came to ignoble ends because of selfishness and stupidity, including Eric Jefferson, a first-team all-American defensive end who was arrested for armed robbery, and Michael Burden, an NFL-bound defensive back who was charged with rape and then “vanished without a trace.”

More recently, we have seen the disrupted careers of star athletes like Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress and Tiger Woods—men whose lives in professional sports have been undermined by character faults. Such stories are more common than we realize. For every Michael Oher (Mr. Lewis’s subject in “The Blind Side”) who overcomes harsh beginnings and makes it, there are many other promising athletes who are overcome by their own worst impulses. They lose, the game loses and fans lose.

Alternatively, keeping the faith can mean keeping one’s best possible life. Josh Hamilton, the All-Star outfielder for the Texas Rangers, lost part of his career to drug and alcohol addiction before finding the support of a religious community. Tony Dungy, the former coach of the Indianapolis Colts, says that his reputation for “quiet strength” (also the title of his best-selling book) developed only after God changed him from an angry, testy man into a model of “Christian maturity.”

In the case of Mr. Tebow, what seems to fuel many of his fans—and to drive many of his critics crazy—is not so much his evangelical faith itself but the equanimity and generosity that his faith inspires in him. Can he really mean it when he says that football isn’t that important to him, that he cares more about transcendent things?

[TEBOWE1210jpg] NewscomMr. Tebow says that football is just a game—and that God doesn’t care who wins or loses.

While at Florida, Mr. Tebow became well known for spending his summers helping the poor and needy in the Philippines. He also spoke in prisons and appeared to accept every opportunity to volunteer. He encouraged his teammates and classmates to follow his lead.

As Mr. Tebow recounts in his book “Through My Eyes” (written with Nathan Whitaker), after he won the Heisman Trophy in 2007, he had the idea to use his fame to raise money for the orphanage that his family runs and for other organizations. Since National Collegiate Athletic Association rules prevented him from raising money for his own causes, he worked with the university to found a student society that could be used for charity.

According to the former Florida coach Urban Meyer, Mr. Tebow’s philanthropic efforts reshaped campus culture, and for a time, volunteering became fashionable. In his senior year, the powder-puff football tournament that he launched, with the help of the university’s sororities and fraternities, raised $340,000 for charity.

Mr. Tebow’s acts of goodwill have often been more intimate. In December 2009, he attended a college-football awards ceremony in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. The night before, at another gala at Walt Disney World Resort, he met a 20-year-old college-football fan named Kelly Faughnan, a brain-tumor victim who suffers from hearing loss and visible, continual tremors. She was wearing a button that said “I love Timmy.” Someone noticed and made sure that the young woman had a chance to meet the player.

Mr. Tebow spent a long while with Ms. Faughnan and her family, and asked her if she’d like to be his date for the award ceremony the following night. She agreed, and the scene of Mr. Tebow escorting the trembling young woman down the red carpet led much of the reporting about the event.

As Mr. Tebow’s acts of goodwill merged with his achievements on the field for the Florida team, Tebow fandom morphed into Tebow piety. Students launched websites dedicated to the young man, and blogs and message boards lit up with tributes. The blogosphere and Twitterverse produced a flood of over-the-top jokes declaring Tebow’s greatness: “Tim Tebow has counted to infinity…twice.” “When Tim Tebow walks on water, his feet don’t get wet.”

In recent weeks, as Tebow mania has re-emerged alongside the unexpected success of the Broncos, it has become clear that the fever is not confined to the quarterback’s fellow evangelical Christians. Mr. Tebow’s habit of taking to one knee in prayer on the field has given rise to an Internet meme called “Tebowing.” Fans have posted pictures of themselves praying on one knee while doing everything from surfing and fighting fires to touring China and going into battle.

“Tebowing” is the brainchild of Jared Kleinstein, 24, a real-estate marketer in New York City who was raised in Denver, where he grew into a devoted sports fan. Mr. Kleinstein, who is Jewish, just wanted to pay tribute to the inspirational quarterback of his favorite team. He launched Tebowing.com from Manhattan in October, on the night after Mr. Tebow led the Broncos to victory over the Miami Dolphins.

Getty ImagesTim Tebow after a Florida win over Georgia in 2009. His eyeblack refers to Philippians 4:6- 7, which reads, in part: ‘And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.’

“We were at a bar watching the game,” he says, “and when he came back to win, everybody was cheering like we won the Super Bowl, even though we had just beat the last-place team in the league.” Mr. Kleinstein noticed that as the Bronco players were jumping up and down on the sidelines, Mr. Tebow took a knee in prayer. He snapped a picture of himself and his friends doing the same, called it “Tebowing,” then created the site and sent it to eight people.

Within 48 hours, Mr. Kleinstein had been interviewed by this paper, CBS, Fox, ABC and other media outlets. The site has received millions of visits and page views in its short life. Mr. Kleinstein receives pictures of people Tebowing all day long, and often posts new pictures every hour.

With his site, Mr. Kleinstein says, “people found hope through a gesture,” noting a much-discussed photo that he posted of a young boy with an IV attached to his arm who wrote that he was “Tebowing while chemoing.” Mr. Kleinstein adds that a lot of support for the trend has come from rabbis. “It has made prayer in public something to not be ashamed of,” he says. “I think that crosses all religious boundaries.”

In communities across America, whether religious or secular, fields of play are often seen as workshops of character. Parents and coaches get kids involved with sports because they care about encouraging them to be better people.

At the national level, however, big-time sports is big business, with billions of dollars at stake, and Americans tend to be cynical about the whole show. In this world, Mr. Tebow’s frequent professions of faith can come across as a discordant note, equal parts over-earnestness and naïveté. It’s hard to resist the thought that, eventually, a darker reality will show through.

Mr. Tebow may indeed turn out to be a hypocrite, like other high-profile Christians in recent memory. Some of us might even want that to happen, because moral failure is something we understand. We know how to deal with disappointed expectations, to turn our songs of praise into condemnation.

What we are far less sure how to do is to take seriously a public figure’s seemingly admirable character and professions of higher purpose. We don’t know how to trust goodness.

And who can blame us? We don’t want to be fooled again.

The one loss in Mr. Tebow’s record as Denver’s starting quarterback this season came in a 45-10 blowout against the Detroit Lions. Mr. Tebow completed just 46% of his passes. He suffered seven sacks, including one by Stephen Tulloch, after which Mr. Tulloch took a knee, “Tebowing” as Mr. Tebow struggled to rise.

When asked how he felt about Mr. Tulloch’s mockery, Mr. Tebow responded, “He was probably just having fun and was excited he made a good play and had a sack. And good for him.”

Last week, after the Broncos’ victory against Minnesota, Mr. Tebow was asked by a reporter to name something memorable that had been said to him in the wake of the extraordinary win.

“I’ll tell you one thing that happened during the week that I remember,” he said. Mr. Tebow proceeded to talk about spending time with a young leukemia patient from Florida who had just been transferred to hospice care and about how delighted Mr. Tebow was to say the kid’s name on television and to let him know that someone cared.

Mr. Tebow may or may not enjoy long-term success as an NFL quarterback. His current streak will run its course, and the Broncos might well move on to another quarterback, one who is more obviously suited to the pro game.

But win or lose, Tim Tebow will compete hard—and when he’s done, he will thank God and remind all of us that it’s just a game.

—Mr. Dodd is the managing editor of the website Patheos and a former senior editor at Beliefnet. This article is adapted from his e-book, “The Tebow Mystique: The Faith and Fans of Football’s Most Polarizing Player.”

Mandatory Spending Has Increased Five Times Faster Than Discretionary Spending

Mandatory Spending Has Increased Five Times Faster Than Discretionary Spending

 Everyone wants to know more about the budget and here is some key information with a chart from the Heritage Foundation and a video from the Cato Institute.

Only one-third of the federal budget, discretionary spending, is subject to annual budgets. The remainder, mandatory spending, is set on autopilot without congressional debate and has increased more than five times faster than discretionary spending. Most of the current increase is due toentitlement spending.

INFLATION-ADJUSTED TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS (2010)

 
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Senator Pryor asks for Spending Cut Suggestions! Here are a few!(Part 125)

Senator Mark Pryor wants our ideas on how to cut federal spending. Take a look at this video clip below:

Senator Pryor has asked us to send our ideas to him at cutspending@pryor.senate.gov and I have done so in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

On May 11, 2011,  I emailed to this above address and I got this email back from Senator Pryor’s office:

Please note, this is not a monitored email account. Due to the sheer volume of correspondence I receive, I ask that constituents please contact me via my website with any responses or additional concerns. If you would like a specific reply to your message, please visit http://pryor.senate.gov/contact. This system ensures that I will continue to keep Arkansas First by allowing me to better organize the thousands of emails I get from Arkansans each week and ensuring that I have all the information I need to respond to your particular communication in timely manner.  I appreciate you writing. I always welcome your input and suggestions. Please do not hesitate to contact me on any issue of concern to you in the future.

Therefore, I went to the website and sent this email below:

Here are a few more I just emailed to him myself.

Reform entitlements. Spending cannot be restrained without reforming entitlements, which comprise two-thirds of all federal spending and threaten the country’s long-term finances. (See Chart 2.) These programs are projected to grow by 6 percent annually for the next decade. Table 1, which displays the spending restraint needed to balance the budget by 2014, shows that all scenarios to balance the budget by 2014 require reducing the 6 percent annual growth rate of mandatory spending. Lawmakers seeking to rein in spending should put all entitlement spending on the table, including the 2003 Medicare drug bill and the 2002 farm bill.

  • From 2000 to 2010, real federal spending will have increased from $21,875 per household to $30,543 per household.
  • In 2010, the federal government will spend $30,543 per household, collect taxes of $17,879 per household, and run a budget deficit of $12,664 per household.
  • Under President Obama’s budget, deficits from 2010 through 2020 would total $82,219 per household.
  • Surging Social Security, Medicare, and net interest costs are set to crowd out spending on other programs.

What is God doing with Tim Tebow? Fellowship Bible pastor of Little Rock ponders…

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Everyone is wondering if this amazing fourth quarter comeback streak will end for the Denver Broncos and their quarterback Tim Tebow. At the December 11, 2011 early service at Fellowship Bible Church, pastor Mark Henry (who himself was an all conference Arkansas Razorback football player) noted:

How many of you have been watching the drama behind Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow is the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. Some of you may remember that he had a great career at the University of Florida. He won the Heisman and was a real high draft choice. Recently he was named the starting quarterback of the Denver Broncos. What has been interesting to watch is the incredible amount of controversy and criticism that has come  against Tim Tebow both as a player and a Christ follower too. It is as if Tim Tebow has a thorn in his flesh and it is called the media.

You know there is website out there and the whole website is set up to mock Tim Tebow for praying before, during and after football games. People all across the world send pictures to this website and they have coined a word for him praying called “Tebowing.” People all around the world send pictures to this website making a mockery of Tim Tebow for praying.

It doesn’t stop there, just recently another NFL quarterback came out and publically  criticized Tim Tebow and said Tebow talks too much about Jesus.

Then Mark Henry, who was an all-conference football player at Arkansas in 1991 and had his own chance to pursue a NFL career, pointed to Tebow’s response in the USA Today article below.

USA Today reported on November 23, 2011:

A day after former Broncos QB Jake Plummer said in a radio interview that he wished the man currently taking the snaps in Denver, Tim Tebow, would curb his references to Jesus Christ and his faith, Tebow responded.

QB Tim Tebow could have the Broncos in first place by the end of Week 12.
By Kirby Lee, US Presswire

Asked about Plummer’s remarks in an interview on ESPN’s First Take, Tebow said:

“If you’re married, and you have a wife, and you really love your wife, is it good enough to only say to your wife ‘I love her’ the day you get married? Or should you tell her every single day when you wake up and every opportunity?

“And that’s how I feel about my relationship with Jesus Christ is that it is the most important thing in my life. So any time I get an opportunity to tell him that I love him or given an opportunity to shout him out on national TV, I’m gonna take that opportunity. And so I look at it as a relationship that I have with him that I want to give him the honor and glory anytime I have the opportunity. And then right after I give him the honor and glory, I always try to give my teammates the honor and glory.

“And that’s how it works because Christ comes first in my life, and then my family, and then my teammates. I respect Jake’s opinion, and I really appreciate his compliment of calling me a winner. But I feel like anytime I get the opportunity to give the Lord some praise, he is due for it.”

Plummer had this to say Monday on XTRA Sports 910 in Phoenix:

“Tebow, regardless of whether I wish he’d just shut up after a game and go hug his teammates, I think he’s a winner and I respect that about him. I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I’ll like him a little better. I don’t hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every single time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff.

“Like you know, I understand dude where you’re coming from … but he is a baller.”

Asked by ESPN’s Skip Bayless if God makes him a better football player, Tebow would only grant that his faith gives him peace and comfort on the field.

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Then Mark Henry commented:

What a powerful statement (by Tebow). (Audience claps.) Here is what I would say about that. Here is this “if only” situation in Tim Tebow’s life, this constant critique and criticism from the media and from players and it is constant,  yet in the midst of it all God is doing something in Tim Tebow. Through His words and His actions He is on the move. What God is doing is He is showcasing Himself to a watching world and in the end God will not be mocked and I have to wonder and it is just speculation on my part because Tim Tebow has not even being playing very good, yet he has been winning games. You tell me who may behind that right.

(Listen to whole message at http://www.fellowshiponline.com/resources/sermons/#/!/if-only/ )

At this point I get in my car and my 15 yr son Wilson tells me, “Dad you said that God doesn’t pull for one team over another.” I respond that is right then I go home. I remember that Harry King wrote on Saturday:

Tied for first in their division, the Broncos have games remaining against Chicago, New England, Buffalo, and Kansas City. They might lose their next two. If they do, the experts will gloat with “told you so.”

Therefore, I thought the Broncos great run was probably coming to a close on Sunday but I go home and watch this happen below:

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The Chicago Bears were about to win the game by running out the clock when veteran running back Marion Barber runs out of bounds stopping the clock, and thus giving Tebow and the broncos a shot to make another great fourth quarter comeback. Tebow performed his Magic again in regulation, which forced the game into overtime! This video shows the Magical overtime drive! There is also a link to the game tying driving inside of the video.

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“Music Monday”:Coldplay’s best songs of all time (Part 14)

Coldplay

“Music Monday”:Coldplay’s best songs of all time (Part 14)

This is “Music Monday” and I always look at a band with some of their best music. I am currently looking at Coldplay’s best songs. Here are a few followed by another person’s preference:

My son Hunter Hatcher’s 7th favorite Coldplay song is  “Major Minus.” He notes, “Not sure what to think of this yet. It’s so up and then down and then back up again. It almost makes you think too hard. That’s the beauty of it.”

I was very interested in the first single that came out from Coldplay a few weeks ago, but this second single escaped my attention. Then recently my son Hunter told me all about this second song and he said that something in the song may be talking about God.
 
I told you guys earlier that in 2008 Coldplay and Chris in particular was on a spiritual search. I predicted that it would continue. With the song “Major Minus” we have some very interesting lyrics.

They got one eye on what you knew

And one eye on what you do
So be careful who it is you’re talking to

They got one eye on what you knew
And one eye on what you do
So be careful what it is you’re trying to do

And be careful when you’re walking in the view
Just be careful when you’re walking in the view!

Ooh-oooh-oooh
Ooh-oooh-oooh-ooh
Got one eye on the road and one on you!

Ooh-oooh-oooh
Ooh-oooh-oooh-ooh
Got one eye on the road and one on

They got one eye on what you knew
And one eye on what you do
So be careful ’cause nothing they say is true

But they don’t believe a word
It’s just us against the world
And we just gotta turn up to be heard 

Hear those crocodiles ticking ’round the world
Hear those crocodiles ticking (they go) ticking ’round the world

Ooh-oooh-oooh
Ooh-oooh-oooh-ooh
Got one eye on the road and one on you!
Ooh-oooh-oooh
Ooh-oooh-oooh-ooh
Got one eye on the road.

She can’t hear them climbing the stairs
I got my right side fighting
While my left eye’s on the chairs

Ooh-oooh-oooh
Ooh-oooh-oooh-ooh
Got one eye on the road and one on you!

Ooh-oooh-oooh
Ooh-oooh-oooh-ooh
Got one eye on the road and one on you

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Here are the main points of the song.

1. Heaven is watching us constantly. (They got one eye on what you knew,And one eye on what you do)

2. We should be careful because what we do does matter to God. (And be careful when you’re walking in the view, Just be careful when you’re walking in the view!)

3. There are dangers in this world that you must avoid because they will eat you up.(Hear those crocodiles ticking ’round the world, Hear those crocodiles ticking (they go) ticking ’round the world )

4.Chris Martin’s plan is to keep one eye on the road ahead and one on the wife that he loves. (Got one eye on the road and one on you!)

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These interpretations are based on the assumption that Chris is building on the theme of his last cd. We will have to wait and see what the rest of the cd sounds like. Feel free to share with me your thoughts.

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1Viva la Vida

+34when I listen to viva la vida I feel like I’m the king. All the sensations and emotions in this song make you directly enter the song as if you are the king

+15it is absolutely brilliant! I am completely in love with this song. It is so powerful and has so much meaning to it. Cold play definitely is the best band out there! It can’t get any better!

+13I feel like voting ALL their songs, but it wont allow me. coldplay’s one of the best bands that we have today! Can’t wait for more new material

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Fix You

2Fix You 

+24come on no. 2 is not enough what the heck man vote for this song and listen to it you will not regret it I promise you all

+13one of the best songs from Coldplay! I love this song! full of meaning, and it makes me cry! they sang the song like they have something to say, something to prove.. and absolutely love the endung.. especially at the music video… where everybody sang the chorus… it really made me cry!

+12This is a wonderful song. It’s perfect. Every single person can relate to this song. Really listen, listen to what they are trying to say. Viva la Vida is a great song, but for me this is the best of Coldplay’s.

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The Scientist

3The Scientist 

+12above and beonde amazing this song reaches to yu and makes want to go to sleep and tough the sky and also if you are a guy that really likes to listen to songs that make you calm this is by far the one for you.

+10The emotion in this song is raw and uncensored, it tells an amazing and beautiful story. It’s original and calming ; yet there’s something in the lyrics that stirs up emotions and memories.

+9Fix you is great too, but you can’t beat The Scientist

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Clocks

4Clocks 

+13
i like how the sang the song. They had a nice and loving tune that almost make me cry. They are my best singers and I will never forget tem.

+8a song which has a powerful start and a great ending as well… piano used in a rock song… simply amazing..!

+7Awesome tune and nice and relaxing ! good Lyrics too

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Yellow

5Yellow 

+14. . . its so emotional, really heart-felt, you can really tell Martin cares more about this song more than any of the others, and most importantly, it kickstarted COLDPLAY – it set the platform for all the other coldplay songs. . .!

+7oh god, I just dont understand how I lived me life up to now without this song just on in the background ❤ today me and my friends shared the love and walked around the school singing this and wow I was in heaven. let’s be honest here, whoever true song was to was lucky as to have a song like that – it is the themetune to my life ❤

+5by far the best song by coldplay… it needs to be at the top…
i bet anyone who listens to it once can leave it… he/she will have to listen it again and again…

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Speed of Sound

6Speed of Sound 

+5Piano absolutely blows you away in the introduction. Oppose to the other songs made by Coldplay, this song excels at build-up and keeps climax until a dramatic end.

+2Great song.. with amazing lyrics… m lovin it.. it shoulkd be no.1 according to me..

+1omg how come this song is on number 6 cmon people this song deserve in top 2 atleat vote got itt

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Violet Hill

7Violet Hill 

+8The lyrics in this song are so amazing and deep. “If you love me then won’t you let me know” is so powerful.

+3awesome, unique, addictible. this is the best listen and listen hundreds times

+3This is coldplays best song because it so different when compared to their usual songs.

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Every Teardrop Is a Waterfall

8Every Teardrop Is a Waterfall 

this should be number one.
it just makes your mood better.
best ever made for sure.

nice video
great lyris and musics
Without a doubt one of the best song they made… Everything is so perfect in this song! listen to it to understand

the song is awesum in all respects… great music lovely vocals.. I love coldplay.. listen and appreciate..

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In My Place

9In My Place 

+6This song made me cry with joy the first time I listened to it. One of the highlights of “A Rush Of Blood To The Head”

+4I don’t think many real fans voted here. They just simply went with the popualair ones.
This song is just amazing.

+3this is one of those songs I go straight to when I feel like I’m stuck in life and have nowhere to go, as if I really were “in my place”. the melody and the “oh’s” in the chorus are enough to make anyone feel how much the band sympathizes

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Trouble

10Trouble 

+8words can’t explain. it deserves to be in the top 5 cmon people vote!

+7Simple piano playing equals a brilliant chorus or bridge? (great song in other words)

+6I don’t want to cause ‘trouble’, but this song deserves to be higher than tenth position…

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Federal Revenues by Source

The Heritage Foundation website has some of the best charts:

Rob Bluey

December 11, 2011 at 10:02 am 

President Obama and Republicans in Congress continue to wage war over an extension of the payroll tax cut. But missing from the debate is any discussion of comprehensive tax reform that would eliminate payroll taxes altogether.

Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes are the second-largest source of federal revenue, surpassed only by personal income taxes. This week’s chart from Heritage’s 2011 Budget Chart Book depicts federal revenue by source.

That chart would look quite different if Heritage’s tax-reform plan were enacted into law. That plan, part of the Saving the American Dream proposal, prescribes a single, low rate for individuals, replacing all federal income taxes, payroll taxes, the death tax, and most excises.

The business tax code will also be replaced by a new flat business tax, thereby giving all businesses equal treatment and providing the framework for them to compete better in global markets.

This simplified system enables taxpayers to anticipate their tax burden and plan accordingly. The Heritage tax plan encourages economic growth through a lower rate and by removing multiple taxation on the same income. Because the plan taxes income spent on consumption, it eliminates the disincentives families currently face to build savings. Enacting the plan would result in greater economic freedom and opportunity, and it would encourage Americans to be proactive in building financial security for themselves and their families.

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Alice Cooper is a Christian

Alice Cooper is a Christian.

  1. Photo By Heavy Metal Rockers—Before They Were Stars
     
    THEN: Alice Cooper Senior Year 1966 at Cortez High School, Phoenix, AZ. NOW: Alice Cooper, born Vincent Furnier in 1948, released his first album in 1969; his most recent effort, Welcome 2 My Nightmare, dropped on September 13, 2011. He also has a syndicated radio show, was recently inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and still performs live. In a video on his website, Cooper said, “I will always be doing something in this business until the moment I pass my last breath, if God’s willing.” And he may get his wish from the big rocker in the sky since Cooper is also a born-again Christian.View the entire gallery at Snakkle.com
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    Darren Hirst met up with one of the most colourful figures in the whole pantheon of rock music, ALICE COOPER

    Alice Cooper

    Alice Cooper

    Sitting opposite Alice Cooper is an unnerving experience. It takes me back to my childhood. Top Of The Pops. Summer of ’72. Back then, Top Of The Pops seemed very innocent. We hadn’t discovered what Gary Glitter was really like. And everything was silver and glitz and glamour. The Sweet and Slade before they were “heavy”. Before even Alvin Stardust in black leather had dawned upon the scene. There was Donny Osmond and David Cassidy for the girls to swoon over and they were as saccharine as their smiles. No-one would blink an eye if “Amazing Grace” should top the charts. But then more troubling than Granddad’s thoughts about Bowie’s apparent androgyny was the nightmare vision of Alice Cooper. When Alice Cooper told a seven year old that “School’s Out”, the seven year old just knew that Alice had been holding the dynamite when the deed was done and that School was, indeed, “out for ever”. Welcome to my Nightmare!

    Fast forward to 2007 and I’m still sitting opposite Alice Cooperwondering what to say. A few days before, I’d been leading Christian Union at a Very posh independent boys’ school. And when the subject of Alice Cooper and his faith came up, they left me in no doubt about his credibility and standing. 35 years since “School’s Out” and at school, Alice is very definitely in. Witnessing him on his current arena tour of the UK, he draws an audience which ranges from five to 65 and everyone to a man (or woman) admires his showmanship, his ability to hold an audience in the palm of his hand and take his entire audience on a journey from grim horror and death to victory and life. There are no altar calls at an Alice Cooper show. There is no church. But this is not someone trading on his past. Not a whiff of nostalgia. Alice Cooper is still very relevant to his audience today. He still rocks. Alice is cool. And your church elders are not going to understand how Christian faith and Alice’s show fit together. And your Granddad still won’t like it.

    Alice has thought about this: “As a Christian, I don’t declare myself as a ‘Christian rock star’. I’m a rock performer who’s a Christian. Alice Cooper is the guy who wants to entertain the audience – it happens that he’s a Christian. Alice (the character I play on stage) began life as a villain and he remains one. There’s a villain and a hero in every Shakespeare play. Alice is no more dangerous than a villain in a cartoon or a Disney film. We have fun with him. He snarls and wears make up. He’s punished for his crime and he comes back on the stage in white top and tails. We put on a good show. I’ve always put limits on Alice because I believe there’s a certain amount of Alice that’s a gentleman. He’d slit your throat, but he’d never swear at you. And there’s always a punchline; he may kill you, but he’ll slip on a banana peel. I get right-wing Christians down on me and I always ask them the question: ‘If I was doing Macbeth, would it be OK?’ And they always say that’s Shakespeare so of course. I say that’s about four times more violent than anything I do on stage.”

    On one level, that Alice should find faith is no surprise. His father converted and became a pastor in later life. His wife’s father was a Baptist pastor. When he was struggling with alcoholism, it was to Christian counsellors that he and his wife turned to. They needed help with his drinking and help with their relationship. Therefore, his life has always been in touch with the church – albeit sometimes at arm’s length. On another level, that a shock rocker like Alice who was described as a Satanist in more than one book by an evangelist in the ’70s and ’80s (evangelists who probably knew just enough about rock ‘n’ roll to want the young people in their church to avoid it) should embrace faith and continue in his chosen profession is seen by some as a little strange.

    Interestingly, this is exactly what his foresighted pastor advised him to do: “I said to him I can’t be Alice and a Christian. He said that God doesn’t make mistakes. He said that God had put me in an unusual situation for a reason and now I should let my lifestyle do my talking for me and my beliefs. It wasn’t the answer I was expecting.”

    Alice Cooper: The shock rock pioneer speaks about his Christian faith

    Alice has a new book. It’s called Golf Monster. It describes how he has exchanged one addiction (alcohol) for another far less harmful one (golf) but it is also remarkably frank about how his life has a different perspective now because of his Christian faith. This comes across in his conversation and in his music.

    In his conversation, he is clear that he has no pretensions. He doesn’t see himself as the world’s greatest theologian or think he is ever going to be. He is concerned that his listener understands that the God he is seeking to serve is the “classic” one of the Christian Scriptures and creeds and not some modern amended version. The constant use of “classic” to describe his view of God, Jesus, Satan and the Bible may sound a little too much of the Coca-Cola wars to the listener who isn’t used to the terminology but his point is well made. This isn’t Alice Cooper‘s version of God or some celebrity-invented religion or anything of that kind. He goes to Bible study regularly when he is not on tour because he wants to understand God better and because he wants to know more about what God has to say to his life. He isn’t interested in being a “celebrity-for-Christ”. He wants to be a typical church-going Christian who is learning to love God and love his neighbour. It just so happens that he is Alice Cooper and this brings an interesting twist to the whole process.

    He may not see himself as the world’s greatest Christian thinker but he wants to write classic songs and thoughtful songs that are touched by the content of his faith. He wants his lyrics to say something and what they say should be consistent with who he is. American singer/songwriter T-Bone Burnett once said something along the lines of “You can sing about the light, or you can sing about what you can see because of the light.” Hearing it put in this way, Alice clearly sees himself in the second category. Perhaps surprisingly, he is quite comfortable singing songs from the early part of his career. He remarks that there are three albums he recorded when his alcoholism was at its peek (‘Dada’, ‘Special Forces’, ‘Zipper Catches Skin’) that he doesn’t remember too much about. Even these when he later went back and reviewed he found contained “some interesting, quirky songs”. Some of the songs from this period and from the next few albums (‘Constrictor’, ‘Trash’), he will no longer perform because he considers them too sexual in a way that he now feels was inappropriate or that they just don’t fit in with a worldview he is comfortable in. However, the vast majority of his old songs are ones of which he is justifiably proud.

    His more recent albums clearly reflect his values since he committed his way to Christ. On ‘The Last Temptation’ (1994), he tells a story of a young man’s struggle to see the truth through the distractions of the “Sideshow” of the modern world. It’s Bunyan’s Vanity Fair set out again for the late 20th and early 21st century. The world is full of distractions that will keep you from addressing life’s big issues. However, the album’s hero, a young boy called Steven, declines to live his life that way and pursues a different path. He is determined to find out what life is all about. “Stolen Prayer” talks about the desire to talk to God. “It’s Me” is a divine promise to stay with us through all the stumbling. The final song “Cleansed By Fire” makes a list of all the questions that the modern world would rather you didn’t ask: “What about truth?/What about life?/What about glory?/What about Christ?/What about peace?/What about love?/What about faith in God above?”

    Bob Dylan once wrote that he’d “seen the kingdoms of this world and they’re making me feel afraid,” He also once said he thought that Alice Cooper was an underrated songwriter. Combining these thoughts, Mr Cooper sent his Alice character to see the world’s kingdom at its worst on ‘Brutal Planet’ (2000). You could not wish to see a colder, harder view of our world. Brutal is the right word and there was precious little comfort for the listener as he looks hard at a world that can be devoid of compassion and morality. ‘Dragon Town’ (2001) once again brought Bunyan’s allegorical world to mind. Dragon Town is a society of the lost, an earthly hell, a place where God is denied but everyone wants to take his place. When Alice started to record these albums he intended them to be a part of a trilogy. The third album was never completed. Perhaps it’s better that way – some ideas are just too dark.

    Alice Cooper: The shock rock pioneer speaks about his Christian faith

    Since then Alice Cooper has returned to less thematic albums with ‘The Eyes Of Alice Cooper‘ (2003) and ‘Dirty Diamonds’ (2005). These albums have less of the sense of someone trying to make a point but the pen-pictures they paint have more compassion and they return to the humour of his earlier songs. He’s currently working on another concept piece ‘Along Came A Spider’ which has been delayed to make room for the current tour and family time. He expects it to be in the shops in the spring of 2008. It will be interesting to see where his lyrical muse takes him next.

    “It will be a full-on Alice production,” he said. “The last two albums got back to the songs. The three before that had been heavily apocalyptic and I needed to take a step back from the big themes.”

    Golf is not the only thing that Mr Cooper pursues away from music. Not too long ago there was a ripple of publicity when Grand Canyon University in Phoenix, Arizona decided to award Alice an honorary doctorate. The formerly Southern Baptist college which now describes itself as Christian but non-denominational awarded the honour not because of Alice’s musical work but because of his financial support of the University’s education programme and because of his work amongst troubled teenagers. His involvement with his local neighbourhood educational centre was then deepened when the singer jointly sponsored the building of a new youth centre with the University that began to be developed in 2006. The College granted five acres of land for the building of The Rock, an extension of the work amongst young people that was begun by Cooper’s Solid Rock Foundation in 1995. He says that he wants The Rock to be a place of “safety for kids who otherwise might have nowhere to go.” The centre will be distinctively Christian with counsellors available to those who want to talk but “no-one who just wants to play ball will be beat over the head with a Bible.”

    Not least of Alice’s commitments to this project is to get out there and earn the money for the completion of the building. When you have been a success for over 30 years there is only so much you need to do to guarantee yourself home comforts but his tireless work schedule is fuelled by a desire to make sure that others have those comforts too.

    Surprise! Alice Cooper is a Christian

    You don’t have to look too far on the internet to find some blog by some well-meaning Christian decrying Alice and his profession of faith. However, there can be no doubt that what he describes as “the truth” is something that he clearly believes in and which he is living out in ways that are tangible and where his influence and musical success allow him to realise things that others of us would only dream of and which are changing lives in American inner cities. Alice won’t be fitting any time soon into the requirement of appearance and working life suitable for a Christian that might be offered by a typical conservative churchgoer in a fellowship somewhere near you. Nevertheless, others whose opinion may matter more said that the key things were to love God and to love your neighbour as you love yourself. On that scale, Mr Cooper is living out his faith pretty well. CR

    About Darren Hirst
    Darren HirstDarren Hirst pastors Ravenscourt Baptist Church and provides a support ministry to professional musicians.

Francis Schaeffer’s “How should we then live?” Video and outline of episode 6 “The Scientific Age” (Schaeffer Sundays)

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How Should We Then Live?

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Francis Schaeffer- How Should We Then Live? -6- The Scientific Age

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I am sharing with you a film series that I saw in 1979. In this film Francis Schaeffer asserted that was a shift in Modern Science. A. Change in conviction from earlier modern scientists.B. From an open to a closed natural system: elimination of belief in a Creator.1. Closed system derives not from the findings of science but from philosophy.2. Now there is no place for the significance of Man, for morals, or for love.C. Darwin taught that all life evolved through the survival of the fittest.1. Serious problems inherent in Darwinism and Neo-Darwinism.

This is probably one of the most important episodes in the series.

T h e

SCIENTIFIC AGE

I. Church Attacks on Copernican Science Were Philosophical

Galileo’s and Copernicus’ works did not contradict the Bible but the elements of Aristotle’s teaching which had entered the Church.

II. Examples of Biblical Influence

A. Pascal’s work.

1. First successful barometer; great writing of French prose.

2. Understood Man’s uniqueness: Man could contemplate, and Man had value to God.

B. Newton

1. Speed of sound and gravity.

2. For Newton and the other early scientists, no problem concerning the why, because they began with the existence of a personal God who had created the universe.

C. Francis Bacon

1. Stressed careful observation and systematic collection of information.

2. Bacon and the other early scientists took the Bible seriously, including its teaching concerning history and the cosmos.

D. Faraday

1. Crowning discovery was the induction of the electric current.

2. As a Christian, believed God’s Creation is for all men to understand and enjoy, not just for a scientific elite.

III. Scientific Aspects of Biblical Influence

A. Oppenheimer and Whitehead: biblical foundations of scientific revolution.

B. Not all early scientists individually Christian, but all lived within Christian thought forms. This gave a base for science to continue and develop.

C. The contrast between Christian-based science and Chinese and Arab science.

D. Christian emphasis on an ordered Creation reflects nature of reality and is therefore acted upon in all cultures, regardless of what they say their world view is.

1. Einstein’s theory of relativity does not imply relative universe.

2. Man acts on assumption of order, whether he likes it or not.

3. Master idea of biblical science.

a) Uniformity of natural causes in an open system: cause and effect works, but God and Man not trapped in a process.

b) All that exists is not a total cosmic machine.

c) Human choices therefore have meaning and effect.

d) The cosmic machine and the machines people make therefore not a threat.

IV. Shift in Modern Science

A. Change in conviction from earlier modern scientists.

B. From an open to a closed natural system: elimination of belief in a Creator.

1. Closed system derives not from the findings of science but from philosophy.

2. Now there is no place for the significance of Man, for morals, or for love.

C. Darwin taught that all life evolved through the survival of the fittest.

1. Serious problems inherent in Darwinism and Neo-Darwinism.

2. Extension of natural selection to society, politics and ethnics.

D. Natural selection and Nazi ideology.

E. The new authoritarianism: not the crudely dictatorial regimes of Hitler and Stalin. New regimes will be subtly manipulative, based on sophisticated arsenal of new techniques now available.

1. To obtain organs for transplants forces acceptance of new definition of death. Possible abuses.

2. Without the absolute line which Christianity gives of the total uniqueness of Man, people have no boundary line between what they can do and what they should do.

3. Moral and legal implications of Artificial Insemination by Donor (A.I.D.)

4. Skinner’s social psychology and the abolition of Man.

5. Tell people they are machines and they will tend to act accordingly.

6. Each theory of conditioning leads to social application.

a) Koestler: tranquilizer to cure human aggression.

b) Clark and Lee: controlling aggressions of politicians.

c) Kranty: control reproduction through the water supply.

7. Who controls the controllers? —The unasked question.

a) The basic question begged: the psycho-civilizer as King?

b) If people are machines, why should biological continuation have value?

V. Need to Reaffirm That  Which Was the Original Base for Modern Science

Questions

1. Explain the important contributions to science made by biblical principles.

2. How should our knowledge of the biblical view of work and nature affect our own attitudes to research, study of the Bible, and the use of our minds?

3. Does this segment help you to understand how and why men of great intellectual refinement in Nazi Germany could accept what was going on?

4. “Without the absolute line which Christianity gives of the total uniqueness of Man, people have no boundary line between what they can do and what they should do.” Discuss.

Key Events and Persons

Copernicus: 1475-1543

Francis Bacon: 1561-1626

Novum Organum Scientiarum: 1620

Galileo: 1564-1642

Pascal: 1623-1662

Isaac Newton: 1642-1727

Principia Mathematica: 1687

Michael Faraday: 1791-1867

Charles Darwin: 1809-1882

Origin of Species: 1859

Herbert Spencer: 1820-1903

Albert Einstein: 1879-1955

Russel Lee: 1895-

Heinrich Himmler: 1900-1945

B.F. Skinner: 1904-1990

Arthur Koestler: 1905-

Kenneth B. Clark: 1914-

Murray Eden: 1920-

Kermit Kranty: 1923-

Skinner’s Beyond Freedom and Dignity: 1971

Further Study

Robin Briggs, ed., The Scientific Revolution of the Seventeenth Century (1969).

E.A. Burtt, The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Science (1932).

Arthur Koestler, The Watershed. A Biography of Johannes Kepler (1960).

Arthur Koestler, The Ghost in the Machine (1967).

C.S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength (1945).

C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man (1972).

D.M. Mackay, The Clockwork Image (1974).

Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution. Wistar Symposium

Monograph, no. 5 (1967).

B.F. Skinner, Beyond Freedom and Dignity (1971).

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Real Madrid and Barcelona will battle this Wednesday, for the first time in La Liga this time of year. Actual Madrid currently qualified prospects the Language Group desk, with 1 game less problematic and a 3 details gap from Barcelona. If the Merengues handle to take off a success from the “Clasico”, the headline competition may very well turn out to be a 1-way trip until the end. Actual Madrid, who is currently in a 15-game successful ability (10 in “La Liga”), will coordinator The Barcelona in the best possible moment in time. In the other palm, the Blaugrana decreased 5 details in their last 5 suits for the Language Group, after sketching 2-2 against Running Bilbao in San Mamés and sacrificing 1-0 to Getafe,

in the Coliseum Alfonso Pérez. Actual Madrid captured that chance to takeoff and José Mourinho is certainly more than conscious of the significance of such head benefits. After this Saturday’s “Clasico”, Actual Madrid next fitting in “La Liga” will be against Sevilla, in the “Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán” (17th December) and it could grow to be vital not conceding a reduction to The Barcelona, in the few days before. Cristiano Ronaldo has been saved from the UEFA Winners Group fitting this Friday, against Ajax, and it should be secure to say he can be a beginning against The Barcelona on Wednesday. The Colonial participant will be willing to develop his goalscoring statistics, as he already number with 17 objectives in “La Liga” 2011/2012 and is actually linked with the Argentinian Lionel Messi.

However, we believe that the key changes can and will be influenced in the midfield. With Xabi Alonso coming to his part as a beginning, after having being stopped for 1 go with and enjoying only for 30 minutes against Ajax, he should be the one dictating the Merengues activity “tempo”. It’s normal that Mourinho may also select Sami Khedira, as a way to focus on specific issues, which is exactly where the In german participant performs exceptionally well. But the delight could come next, when determining between Mesut Ozil, who has been charged of not peforming very well lately and being preoccupied with the gorgeous Madrid evening, or Kaká, who is actually finishing his damage restoration strategy. While going with Ozil could allow Actual Madrid to deal with the soccer tennis ball with more key elements, if Kaká is truly fit, he should be able to deliver the swiftness and incisive operates on which the group seems to be specifically reliant from Cristiano Ronaldo so far. As described before, we can also experience an additional delight with the supplement of a 4th “natural” midfielder as it is Ategory Diarra, but that would mean that Mourinho would abdicate of Actual Madrid common enjoying design that has given the group a 15-game successful ability, as a way to create a healthier midfielder that could argument the soccer tennis ball control against Barcelona.

Pearl Harbor 70 years ago (Part 5)

Here is a portion of an article from Pittsburgh Tribune-Review :

Dwindling number of Pearl Harbor survivors recall that fateful day

By Rachel Weaver and Richard Robbin, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Read more: Dwindling number of Pearl Harbor survivors recall that fateful day – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Most Western Pennsylvanians who survived the “date which will live in infamy” are in their late 80s or early 90s. Here are a few of their stories about that day:

Tom Miller of Youngwood

Pfc. Tom Miller, then from Mt. Pleasant, was eating breakfast at Schofield Barracks when waves of Japanese aircraft arrived.

“The dishes started to rattle,” Miller, 93, recalled recently at his Youngwood home with his wife, Angeline. “We quit eating and went out to see what was going on.”

Once they realized what was happening, Miller said he and the rest of the 98th Coastal Artillery Regiment could do little to counter what was happening.

“Because we were supposed to go on maneuvers on Monday, our guns were all in traveling position,” he said.

That night, he pulled watch on a lonely stretch of beach along the eastern shore of Oahu.

“Everyone was scared,” he said. “There were two men at each post, and you kept looking at the ocean.”

Miller imagined Japanese soldiers coming ashore, with the awful prospect of a battle to the death on the beach. He was relieved when dawn broke.

Miller spent the first years of the war on Oahu. Re-christened the 755th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Gun Battalion, his outfit later shipped out to the Pacific island of Tawara.

Steve Jager of Arnold

The attack shook Steve Jager awake.

“When the bombs hit that morning, they were close enough to our building that (it) … was shaken and the flames were shooting up into the air, and I didn’t know what in the world it was,” said Jager, 91, of Arnold.

In the Army’s 24th Infantry Division, Jager installed telegraph and radio communications, setting up defense positions for troops.

A few days later, an article about Jager appeared in the Valley Daily News with the headline “Creighton Boy in Hawaii alive, well.”

He spent the rest of the war as a staff sergeant with duties in Hawaii, Australia, New Guinea and the South Pacific. After his service, Jager worked at West Penn Power in Springdale.

For years, he didn’t talk about Pearl Harbor, until a Valley Middle School teacher asked him to speak to students.

“(She) instilled in me the thought that I’m indebted to the guys who died,” Jager said. “Since I’m alive, I think I should keep their memory alive.”

A member of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association, Jager doesn’t hesitate when someone asks him about Pearl Harbor.

“Being alive at my age, I think I am indebted to them to keep it alive for as long as I can.”

Staff writer Rossilynne Skena contributed to this report

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