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Fact check on Romney

Here is a fact-check of statements made by Mitt Romney either in his campaign announcement speech Thursday or at his town hall meeting in Manchester, N.H., yesterday:

 RAISING TAXES

ROMNEY: “The expectation was that we’d have to raise taxes but [as governor of Massachusetts] I refused. I ordered a review of all state spending, made tough choices, and balanced the budget without raising taxes.’’

Romney largely held the line on tax increases when he was governor, but that’s only part of the revenue story. The state raised business taxes by $140 million in one year with measures branded “loophole closings,’’ the vast majority recommended by Romney. Moreover, the Republican governor and Democratic lawmakers raised hundreds of millions of dollars from higher fees and fines — taxation by another name. Romney himself proposed creating 33 new fees and increasing 57 others — enough to raise $59 million. Antitax groups were split on his performance. The Club for Growth called the fee increases and business taxes troubling. Citizens for Limited Taxation praised him for being steadfast in supporting an income tax rollback.

Spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said yesterday that Romney does not consider the fees a tax hike. “He held the line on taxes and cut taxes 19 times,’’ Fehrnstrom said.

ON THE NATIONAL DEBT

ROMNEY: “The debt of the nation right now is almost as large as the entire economy.’’

This is true, if US debt is measured against the nation’s gross domestic product, which is essentially the total value of goods and services produced yearly in America. US GDP was about $14.6 trillion in 2010, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The total US debt on June 2, the date of Romney’s announcement of his bid for president, was roughly $14.3 trillion, or, more specifically, $14,344,706,437,041, according to the US Department of the Treasury. The debt when Obama took office in January 2009 was about $10.6 trillion.

ON GOVERNMENT GROWTH

ROMNEY: “Government under President Obama, federal, state, and local, has grown to consume almost 40 percent of our economy.’’

Last year, combined spending for federal, state, and local governments was 35 percent of gross domestic product, according to the White House Office of Management and Budget. That number includes state and local governments that Obama and the federal administration do not directly control. For much of the past 40 years, the combined government outlay has mainly been in the low 30-percent range, rising to 33.5 percent in 1991 during the recession of the early 1990s. During the administration of President George W. Bush, from 2001-08, total government outlay averaged 31 percent of GDP. The federal government’s share, which has fluctuated within a few points of 20 percent of GDP for decades, was on the high end at 25 percent in 2009 and 23.8 percent in 2010, due to emergency spending, such as the bank bailouts and the economic stimulus package, according to the White House budget office. Romney has pledged to cap federal spending at 20 percent or less of GDP. Federal outlays averaged 19.6 percent of GDP during the Bush administration.

ON TAXES AND REGULATION

ROMNEY: “Instead of encouraging entrepreneurs and employers, [Obama] raises their taxes, piles on record-breaking mounds of regulation and bureaucracy, and gives more power to union bosses.’’

Romney ignores ambitious tax cutting pushed by Obama. The stimulus plan early in his presidency cut taxes broadly for middle class and business. Obama won a one-year tax cut for 2011 that reduced most workers’ Social Security payroll taxes by nearly a third. He also campaigned in support of extending George W. Bush-era tax cuts for all except the wealthy. In office, he accepted a deal from Republicans extending the tax cuts for all. As for increases, Obama won congressional approval to raise taxes on tobacco and tanning salons. The penalty for those who don’t buy health insurance, once coverage is mandatory, is a form of taxation. Several large tax increases in the health law have yet to take effect.

ON PRESIDENT OBAMA’S EXPERIENCE

ROMNEY: Obama has “no experience in the private sector, no experience in leadership, no experience really in negotiations.’’

This seems like a line left over from the 2008 campaign, when then-Senator Obama’s slim experience as a community organizer before he got into politics was a frequent target of GOP attacks. However, since taking office in the White House, Obama has run the massive executive branch bureaucracy, commanded the world’s most powerful military, negotiated a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, and hammered out deals with congressional Republicans on a temporary extension of the Bush-era tax cuts and a spending plan for the current fiscal year that avoided a government shutdown.

SOURCE: Globe Staff and Associated Press

Candidate #10,Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: Republican Presidential Hopefuls (Part C, )

Piper Palin

By Claudine Zap, Yahoo!

Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 3:14 pm PDT

The bus has Sarah Palin’s name on it, but it’s Piper Palin who is stealing the show. The 10-year-old daughter has been at the former governor’s side during the family’s East Coast tour (shown here at Boston’s Old North Church) and even acted as human shield when a reporter was too close to her mom.

The LA Times reported on June 2:

Piper Palin shares her mom’s hot and cold attitude toward the media

Piper Palin, keeping it real

Piper Palin, even at the ripe old age of 10, is skeptical about the media. Who can blame her? The media and the public have shown an unusually strong attraction to her mother, Sarah Palin, despite the fact that the hockey mom no longer holds public office and hasn’t announced that she’s running for president or even vice president.

And yet there they are following her family around the East Coast with their microphones, notebooks and questions.

“Thanks for ruining our vacation,” Piper told Time photographer Dima Gavrysh in Philadelphia.

Gavrysh shouldn’t take it personally. Piper was especially frigid to the media in the City of Brotherly Love when reporters got a little too close to her mom.

But before you think that the youngest of Palin’s daughters has a total distaste for the media, think again. As CNN’s Jeanne Moos discovered, not long after the Palins’ visit to the Statue of Liberty in New York, little Piper glowed when a member of the lamestream media asked her how she enjoyed touring Lady Liberty.

It’s obvious that Piper would prefer to continue her summer vacation with her mom, dad and grandparents, eating pizza with Donald Trump and learning about the country on her family’s “One Nation” bus tour. But while she is learning how to cope with the Fourth Estate on this trip, she’s winning over some typically cynical writers.

Gawker’s Maureen O’Conner called Piper her favorite Palin. “A master of the stink-eye” who has “the unyielding determination of a young Dick Cheney” tempered with “the barely concealed malice of a young Karl Rove,” O’Conner wrote.

The Gaurdian UK described her as a “most deliciously mesmerising scion.”

And Yahoo says that of the Palin posse, Piper is “the real star of the show.”

Keep that scowl going, kid. It’s working.

 

Other posts that include Sarah Palin:

Candidate #10,Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: Republican Presidential Hopefuls (Part B, Palin talks about her faith)

News on The 700 Club: November 19, 2009 – CBN.com As seen on Thursday’s “The 700 Club,” the top stories from CBN News include an exclusive interview Sarah Palin, Senate’s HC Bill More Than $849 Billion?, and more… The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN Below is the first part of the article. Sarah Palin Goes ‘Rogue’ […]

Candidate #10,Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: Republican Presidential Hopefuls (Part A)

  New York Daily News reported on May 27th: John Walker/AP Sarah Palin, the former GOP vice presidential candidate and Alaska governor, will kick off a “one Nation” bus tour in Washington D.C. over the holiday weekend. Sarah Palin is hopping aboard a national bus tour this weekend, and now the big mystery is whether […]

Seth Myers makes fun of Republican Presidential Candidates

Seth Myers hits republicans and democrats in his jokes. Yahoo News reported this morning in the article “Obama ridicules, Trump at Correspondents’ dinner, mocks ‘birther’ crusade” by Rachel Rose Hartman: But that didn’t mean journalists were spared any ridicule Saturday night. The evening’s celebrity host Seth Meyers, “Saturday Night Live” writer and star, mocked some […]

Obama:Makes fun of potential Republican candidates

Donald Trump took the jokes leveled at him in stride. I personally think Donald Trump himself is a joke. I think most conservative republicans think the same. Take a look at what Tolbert wrote on the subject. Jason Tolbert wrote yesterday: Over the last decade, we have become a society obsessed with reality shows. That […]

Ronald Wilson Reagan Part 9 (Sarah Palin on Reagan)

President Ronald Reagan’s 100th birthday anniversary Ronald Reagan and Diana Lynn in Bedtime for Bonzo HALT:HaltingArkansasLiberalswithTruth.com A portion of Sarah Palin’s remarks at an RNC Rally, October 23, 2010. Palin talks about Reagan legacy. By Sarah Palin in USA Today I had the privilege of coming of age during the era of Ronald Reagan. I like to […]

Ark Times: Palin contradicts herself

HALT:HaltingArkansasLiberalswithTruth.com Former Alaska governor gives her first interview since Arizona shooting Series:    Is Rightwing Rhetoric encouraging Violence? Part 6 Twice the Arkansas Times has tried to imply that Sarah Palin contradicted herself. While claiming that no political figure was responsible for influencing alleged shooter Jared Lee Loughner, Palin also claimed he was “perhaps even […]

Lyons: Limbaugh wants conflict which pushes higher ratings

HALT:HaltingArkansasLiberalswithTruth.com Senator Lamar Alexander and Senator Durbin’s respond to the Tucson, AZ Shootings Series:    Is Rightwing Rhetoric encouraging Violence? Part 5 Radell Hunter in her article on Jan 11, 2011 reveals what Dick Durbin had to say about the tragedy in Arizona: Dick Durbin went on to target Sarah Palin in particular, saying, “The […]

Philip Martin: Message might have got through to Arizona Shooter

HALT:HaltingArkansasLiberalswithTruth.com Series:    Is Rightwing Rhetoric encouraging Violence? Part 4 CNN’s Anderson Cooper and his panel discuss the finger pointing and deliberate misinformation among politicians. Probably the most common quote concerning the Arizona tragedy was Paul Krugman’s words spoken just 2 hours after the shooting: A Democratic Congresswoman  has been shot in the head; another […]

Brummett: Politicizing Arizona is Shameful

HALT:HaltingArkansasLiberalswithTruth.com Series:    Is Rightwing Rhetoric encouraging Violence? Part 3 Bill O’Reilly  on the left-incited politicization of the tragic shooting of Rep Gabrielle Giffords. In my last post in this series I stated,” I just wish that Gene Lyons, Max Brantley, Pat Lynch, Ernest Dumas, John Brummett and every other liberal would come out and […]

Lyons: Conservatives guilty of “delusional rants” about Obama

HALT:HaltingArkansasLiberalswithTruth.com New Series Part 2    Is Rightwing Rhetoric encouraging Violence? Sarah Palin speaks out about tragedy. Gene Lyons in his article “Run-of-the-mill violence,” (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Jan 13, 2011) asserts: Which brings us back to Sarah Palin. No, it’s not her fault in any legal or moral sense, although if somebody shot Palin herself after, […]

 

Rep. Paul Ryan running for president?

Beta News reported yesterday:

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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Thursday night set off a fresh round of speculation about his 2012 plans.

Instead of simply giving his usual emphatic denial when asked if he’s considering a presidential bid, Ryan suggested to Fox News’ Neil Cavuto for the first time that he’s contemplating it based on who ends up running.

“You’ve always said ‘no.’ What could change your mind?” Cavuto asked.

“Look. I think, I want to see how this field develops,” Ryan replied. “I think there are going to be other people getting in the race. You know, I was hoping [Indiana Gov.] Mitch Daniels was going to get in the race. He obviously didn’t do that. But there’s so–there’s such a long way to go.”

Ryan quickly sought to clarify his comment.

“But you’re holding out that possibility if the field doesn’t develop to your liking?” Cavuto asked.

“No. I’m not really thinking like that,” Ryan said. “I’m not giving it serious consideration because to do that you really have to get in this thing full throttle. And I really believe Neil where I am right now as the chairman of the House budget committee leading the fight here in congress. I think I can make a big contribution to that debate. I think I can help finish the debt that i helped start. and it hink that’s doing a great service to this country. And that’s where I feel like I can be most effective at this time.”

We reported Tuesday on a the launch of a draft effort to encourage Ryan to get in the race even though the lawmaker has stated he has no plans to run.

So for now, Ryan will continue to disappoint his fans … well, except for Dick Cheney.

(Screenshot of Cavuto and Ryan: Fox News)

Other posts that include Rep. Paul Ryan:

Bill Clinton: Warned Democrats not to shy away from tackling entitlement programs (Part 1)

Paul Ryan meets Bill Clinton Clinton tells Ryan that he’s glad Dems won the New York congressional race this week, but he’s afraid that Dems will never do the right thing on Medicare as a result. Amazing truth telling. ________________________________- CNN Money reported yesterday:  Bill Clinton had a word of warning on Wednesday for fellow […]

Republicans may compromise with Democrats in order to get control of debt

The Debt Bomb: A Decade of DC Spending is Driving America Closer to an Economic Apocalypse Alexis Garcia reports on America’s exploding debt. Experts blame entitlements like Social Security and government spending. But what is the solution? Can we raise taxes without crushing the economy and the middle class? Does Obama really want to lower […]


Brummett:We must increase debt ceiling or disaster will occur (Part 3) (Royal Wedding Part 7)

John Brummett in his article “Pryor’s words drift in gentle breeze,” Arkansas News Bureau, April 24, 2011 asserted: Raising the debt ceiling is essential to paying our debts and keeping the national and world economy functioning. Spending cuts must be made in the future, not by reneging on debt from the past. It is disingenuous […]

Brummett:We must increase debt ceiling or disaster will occur (Part 1) (Royal Wedding Part 2)

John Brummett in his article “Dear visa, my debt ceiling is capped,” April 25, 2011, Arkansas News Bureau, he observes: The first thing I intend to do is join the tea party. Then I’m going to refuse to raise my debt limit. Then I’m going to call the Visa people. “Y’all have me down here […]

Mark Pryor will not vote for debt limit increase unless there are real spending cuts (Conspirator part 9)

In the article “Mark Pryor: I won’t vote to raise debt limit without reforms,” April 20, 2011, Arkansas Business reports: U.S. Sen. Mark Pryor says he won’t vote to raise the federal government’s borrowing limit unless there is a “real and meaningful commitment” to reducing the nation’s debt by cutting spending and overhauling the tax […]

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Pryor on possible Government Shutdown (Part 2)(Tess Harper, Famous Arkansan)

April 5 (Bloomberg) — Chris Edwards, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute, talks about the possibility of a government shutdown if Democratic and Republican leaders fail to reach a budget compromise by April 8, when current funding authority expires. Edwards, speaking with Deirdre Bolton on Bloomberg Television’s “InsideTrack,” also discusses House Budget […]

Brummett: Social Security is fine (part 3)

My sons Wilson and Hunter (on left) visited Yosemite National Park with Sherwood Haisty Jr.  (on right) March 21 to March 27th.   In his article “Harry let us down,” (Arkansas News Bureau, April 4, 2011) John Brummett observes: The liberal is correct when he says Social Security is a separate insurance program that is solvent. […]

Paul Ryan on Social Security Reform (Part 1)

  My sons Wilson  and Hunter  (on left) went to California and visited Yosemite National Park with our friend Sherwood Haisty Jr. (Sherwood on right) They were there from March 21 to March 27. Here you can see all the snow they had to deal with. In his article “Harry let us down,” (Arkansas News Bureau, […]

Pat Lynch: Criticizes Social Security Privatization

HALT: Halting Arkansas Liberals with Truth (Milton Friedman: The People did not want the Social Security Program) Pat Lynch in his September 3, 2010 article in the Democrat Gazette article  notes that “Congressman John Boozman’s plan to privatize Social Security is similar to what President Bush proposed in 2005 and what Congressman Paul Ryan is […]

Mark Pryor supported Failed Stimulus

HALT: Halting Arkansas Liberals with Truth (Paul Ryan outlines what has happened since the stimulus has been passed) Senator Mark Pryor voted for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 which was signed into law by President Obama on February 17, 2009. Both Pryor and Obama thought the economy could be jump started by […]

Is God responsible for evil, many Arkansas Times bloggers say yes!!(Part 3)

Below is a post from the Arkansas Times Blog that I am responding to:

Who is a better person? The one who helps their fellow man and does what is right because they it’s the right thing to do, or one who treats people well only because they are threatened with an eternal punishment?

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Woody Allen’s movie Crimes and Misdemeanors does a great job of showing that if God does not exist then people like Stalin and Hitler were “home free” in that they were never going to be punished for what they did. “Existential subjects to me are still the only subjects worth dealing with. I don’t think that one can aim more deeply than at the so-called existential themes, the spiritual themes.” WOODY ALLEN 

Woody Allen’s 1989 movie, CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS , is an excellent icebreaker concerning the need of God while making decisions in the area of personal morality. In this film, Allen attacks his own atheistic view of morality. Martin Landau plays a Jewish eye doctor named Judah Rosenthal raised by a religious father who always told him, “The eyes of God are always upon you.” However, Judah later concludes that God doesn’t exist. He has his mistress (played in the film by Anjelica Huston) murdered because she continually threatened to blow the whistle on his past questionable, probably illegal, business activities. She also attempted to break up Judah ‘s respectable marriage by going public with their two-year affair. Judah struggles with his conscience throughout the remainder of the movie. He continues to be haunted by his father’s words: “The eyes of God are always upon you.” This is a very scary phrase to a young boy, Judah observes. He often wondered how penetrating God’s eyes are.

Later in the film, Judah reflects on the conversation his religious father had with Judah ‘s unbelieving Aunt May at the dinner table many years ago:

“Come on Sol, open your eyes. Six million Jews burned to death by the Nazis, and they got away with it because might makes right,” says aunt May

Sol replies, “May, how did they get away with it?”

Judah asks, “If a man kills, then what?”

Sol responds to his son, “Then in one way or another he will be punished.”

Aunt May comments, “I say if he can do it and get away with it and he chooses not to be bothered by the ethics, then he is home free.”

Judah ‘s final conclusion was that might did make right. He observed that one day, because of this conclusion, he woke up and the cloud of guilt was gone. He was, as his aunt said, “home free.”

Woody Allen has exposed a weakness in his own humanistic view that God is not necessary as a basis for good ethics. There must be an enforcement factor in order to convince Judah not to resort to murder. Otherwise, it is fully to Judah ‘s advantage to remove this troublesome woman from his life.

The Bible tells us, “{God} has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” (Ecclesiastes 3:11 NIV). The secularist calls this an illusion, but the Bible tells us that the idea that we will survive the grave was planted in everyone’s heart by God Himself. Romans 1:19-21 tells us that God has instilled a conscience in everyone that points each of them to Him and tells them what is right and wrong (also Romans 2:14 -15).

It’s no wonder, then, that one of Allen’s fellow humanists would comment, “Certain moral truths — such as do not kill, do not steal, and do not lie — do have a special status of being not just ‘mere opinion’ but bulwarks of humanitarian action. I have no intention of saying, ‘I think Hitler was wrong.’ Hitler WAS wrong.” (Gloria Leitner, “A Perspective on Belief,” THE HUMANIST, May/June 1997, pp. 38-39)

Here Leitner is reasoning from her God-given conscience and not from humanist philosophy. It wasn’t long before she received criticism. Humanist Abigail Ann Martin responded, “Neither am I an advocate of Hitler; however, by whose criteria is he evil?” (THE HUMANIST, September/October 1997, p. 2)

The secularist can only give incomplete answers to these questions: How could you have convinced Judah not to kill? On what basis could you convince Judah it was wrong for him to murder?

As Christians, we would agree with Judah ‘s father that “The eyes of God are always upon us.” Proverbs 5:21 asserts, “For the ways of man are before the eyes of the Lord, and He ponders all his paths.” Revelation 20:12 states, “…And the dead were judged (sentenced) by what they had done (their whole way of feeling and acting, their aims and endeavors) in accordance with what was recorded in the books” (Amplified Version). The Bible is revealed truth from God. It is the basis for our morality. Judah inherited the Jewish ethical values of the Ten Commandments from his father, but, through years of life as a skeptic, his standards had been lowered. Finally, we discover that Judah ‘s secular version of morality does not resemble his father’s biblically-based morality.

Woody Allen’s CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS forces unbelievers to grapple with the logical conclusions of a purely secular morality. It opens a door for Christians to find common ground with those whom they attempt to share Christ; we all have to deal with personal morality issues. However, the secularist has no basis for asserting that Judah is wrong.

Larry King actually mentioned on his show, LARRY KING LIVE, that Chuck Colson had discussed the movie CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS with him. Colson asked King if life was just a Darwinian struggle where the ruthless come out on top. Colson continued, “When we do wrong, is that our only choice? Either live tormented by guilt, or else kill our conscience and live like beasts?” (BREAKPOINT COMMENTARY, “Finding Common Ground,” September 14, 1993)

Later, Colson noted that discussing the movie CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS with King presented the perfect opportunity to tell him about Christ’s atoning work on the cross. Colson believes the Lord is working on Larry King.

(Caution: CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS is rated PG-13. It does include some adult themes.)
More details can be found in these three posts:

Mike Huckabee to Osama bin Laden: “Welcome to Hell” (Part 8)Woody Allen’s movie “Crimes and Misdemeanors” is a perfect example of why hell the only “enforcement factor”

Crimes & Misdemeanors (pictured is Judah and his criminal brother, ultimately his brother hires a hitman to take out Judah’s girlfriend who threatens to turn Judah over to the cops) Crimes And Misdemeanors 1989 9/13 Adrian Rogers – Crossing God’s Deadline Part 4 crimes & misdemeanors Best scene of the movie!!!! _________________________________ John Brummett in […]

Mike Huckabee to Osama bin Laden: “Welcome to Hell” (Part 7)Woody Allen’s movie “Crimes and Misdemeanors” is a perfect example of why hell the only “enforcement factor”

Crimes And Misdemeanors 1989 7/13 Adrian Rogers – Crossing God’s Deadline Part 3 Crimes And Misdemeanors 1989 8/13 John Brummett in his article “Huckabee speaks for bad guy below,” Arkansas News Bureau, May 5, 2011 had to say: Are we supposed to understand and accept that Mike Huckabee is in hell where he has official […]

Mike Huckabee to Osama bin Laden: “Welcome to Hell” (Part 6)Woody Allen’s movie “Crimes and Misdemeanors” is a perfect example of why hell the only “enforcement factor”

Crimes and Misdemeanors: A Discussion: Part 1 Adrian Rogers – Crossing God’s Deadline Part 2 Jason Tolbert provided this recent video from Mike Huckabee: John Brummett in his article “Huckabee speaks for bad guy below,” Arkansas News Bureau, May 5, 2011 had to say: Are we supposed to understand and accept that Mike Huckabee is […]

Is God responsible for evil, many Arkansas Times bloggers say yes!!(Part 2)

In my earlier post I quoted several Arkansas Times bloggers that blamed God for the evil in the world today. I wanted to make the simple point today that there must be an absolute standard to judge evil by and most atheists do not have that. Of course, Christians have the Bible.

Today we have  a growing number of atheists because of the secular humanism in the schools. The teaching of humanism in the area of moral choices has been the main reason for this. Our students are being taught that we all are a product of chance and there are no absolutes.

The Bible tells us, “{God} has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” (Ecclesiastes 3:11 NIV). The secularist calls this an illusion, but the Bible tells us that the idea that we will survive the grave was planted in everyone’s heart by God Himself. Romans 1:19-21 tells us that God has instilled a conscience in everyone that points each of them to Him and tells them what is right and wrong (also Romans 2:14 -15).

It’s no wonder, then, that a humanist would comment, “Certain moral truths — such as do not kill, do not steal, and do not lie — do have a special status of being not just ‘mere opinion’ but bulwarks of humanitarian action. I have no intention of saying, ‘I think Hitler was wrong.’ Hitler WAS wrong.” (Gloria Leitner, “A Perspective on Belief,” THE HUMANIST, May/June 1997, pp. 38-39)

Here Leitner is reasoning from her God-given conscience and not from humanist philosophy. However, I know how moral relativism works, and I expected that Mrs. Leitner would soon be challenged by her fellow humanists. It wasn’t long before she received criticism. Humanist Abigail Ann Martin responded, “Neither am I an advocate of Hitler; however, by whose criteria is he evil?” (THE HUMANIST, September/October 1997, p. 2)

Do you see where our moral relativism has taken us in the USA?

I had a chance back in 1996 to visit with a gentleman by the name of Robert Lester Mondale while he was retired in Missouri.  He was born on May 28, 1904 and he died on August 19, 2003. He was an Unitarian minister and a humanist. In fact, he was the only person to sign all three of the Humanist Manifestos of 1933, 1973 and 2003. In my conversation with him he mentioned that he had the opportunity to correspond with John Dewey who was one of Mondale’s fellow signers of the 1933 Humanist Manifesto I.

I really believe that the influence of John Dewey’s humanistic philosophy has won the battle of the textbooks in the USA today (with evolution teaching being a key component). As a result, we have people like humanist Abigail Ann Martin who wrote, “Neither am I an advocate of Hitler; however, by whose criteria is he evil?” Check out this excellent article by Greg Koukl:

Bosnia, Rape and the Problem of Evil

Gregory Koukl

Greg responds to a letter to the editor in which the writer’s pain causes him to ask the age-old question of why God allows evil to exist. divider

I was reading the L.A. Times today in the letters to the editor section and there was a letter written by a gentleman in Newport Beach that was a response to a tragic story that the Times had carried a few days ago. Maybe some of you had seen that story or have read about it in the local papers about not just the rank and file tragedy in Bosnia- Hertzegovena, not about the general tragedy of war. The article was about the problems of the refugees and also a women being victimized by soldiers.

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…we say, “Why, God? Why me? Why this pain? Why this difficulty?”

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This respondent writes, “Glancing at your April 10 paper my eyes fell upon the tragic story ‘Ordeals Put Off Bosnia Rape Victim’s Healing.’ My heart ached for Amira, the 35 year old Muslim woman, mother of two children, suffering the loss of her husband, wandering about the countryside begging to survive. Placed in a detention camp, raped repeatedly by Serb soldiers acting as animal pigs rather than humans, the woman became another tragic victim of human wickedness. Where is mankind headed? My thoughts turn to God and ask, ‘Why, God? Why did you create such monsters? God, are you for real?’ If this is God’s way of teaching or testing my faith”, he continues, ” then my beliefs and faith are being shattered with contempt instead. Having just lost my wife to cancer, maybe my feelings are more prone and fragile to be torn apart and my feelings turn more intensely to those who are suffering also.” It’s signed Victor Jashinski in Newport Beach.There’s probably hardly a person listening to this account that does not feel the same emotion with him. First of all, we feel the sense of horror as we read about the kinds of things that other people do to each other. Just a couple of days ago was the last of a five part series of “The Holocaust” that was on the Family Channel which was re-aired for the first time in fifteen years. But in any event, seeing again in vivid portrayal what man is capable of doing, our hearts and our minds are taken with this situation. Not only that, but we are also touched by evil in the world ourselves as we look at circumstances and we’re horrified. We also look at pains in our own life as this man has reflected and we say, “Why, God? Why me? Why this pain? Why this difficulty?” And this is really one of the most thorny problems and one of the most complex problems that anyone, regardless of their philosophical avocations or persuasions, has to address.

There is no way that I’m going to resolve this in ten minutes because this problem in its fullness, in its entirety resists a thorough resolution. I think there’s some good responses, but for the most part it is something that we kind of have to live with . But I would like to give some thoughts that may provide a few guidelines for you in dealing with this yourself and people like this gentleman as they face these circumstances both outside of their life and inside of their life.

My policy in dealing with a difficult, tricky problem that defies a thorough-going solution is to work from the known to the unknown. There are some things I think we can know about this issue. We can draw some conclusions that will at least clear the deck a bit and help us to focus on those things that are less clear and less resolvable, and maybe demystify the question for us, and maybe make our hearts feel a little better about the issue.

One of the things I need to say at the outset, by the way, is that’s it’s very important to distinguish between the issue of evil and suffering as a philosophic problem and the problem of evil from a pastoral perspective. Actually, both were raised in this letter. Why does God allow evil in the world such that a female Bosnian refugee might be subjected to repeated rape by Serbian soldiers? Why does the problem happen out there (which is the philosophic question) but why does evil hurt me? That’s a different kind of question because that’s an emotional response. Even people who have resolved the issue of evil philosophically still shudder under its impact when it hits them. Even though their mind may have answers their heart still asks “Why?” when they become victimized by evil in the world. So we see both kinds here.

I’m going to start out by trying to deal with the philosophic problem and then make a comment about the pastoral problem. They are distinct questions.

By the way, when someone comes to you with the pastoral issue, you can’t resolve that by giving them a philosophic answer. It just doesn’t work . That’s not their need. Their need isn’t their mind at that point or their intellect; their need is their heart, the grief they are going through. There’s a different kind of approach there. I’m actually better at the first than the second. I’m better at the intellectual part than the pastoral part. That’s why I’m a radio talk show host and not a church shepherd as many pastors are. My gifts are different. In any event, let me try to deal with the philosophic problem first and then briefly address the pastoral issue.

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So if there is no God, there can’t be any evil, only personal likes and dislikes–what I prefer morally and what I don’t prefer morally.

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One thing to note, by the way, is that this man presumes that God made man this way (“Why, God, why did you create such monsters?”). Now if you are thinking from a Biblical perspective, you know that that is not the case. The Bible does not teach that God created monsters. It teaches that He created human beings that were not monsters at all but were good. They didn’t have this propensity and proclivity for evil. He didn’t make man with that. But He did make man with the possibility of going wrong and the writer’s response here is really a response questioning the character of God. “How could You do this? What kind of God are you? Are you for real?” are other questions which are the approach that most people usually take when struggling with evil. In other words, when they see this kind of thing they don’t question the character of man, which in my point of view would be a sensible response. (You’ll understand why I say that in just a moment.) Instead they attack the existence of God. In other words, they say since there is evil in the world then God can’t exist. This is not a reasonable response. It is not a rational response. It is not a fruitful answer to the philosophic problem of evil and I’m going to tell you why that just can’t work.

What doesn’t make sense is to look at the existence of evil and question the existence of God. The reason is that atheism turns out being a self-defeating philosophic solution to this problem of evil. Think of what evil is for a minute when we make this kind of objection. Evil is a value judgment that must be measured against a morally perfect standard in order to be meaningful. In other words, something is evil in that it departs from a perfect standard of good. C.S. Lewis made the point, “My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call something crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.”[ 1 ] He also goes on to point out that a portrait is a good or a bad likeness depending on how it compares with the “perfect” original. So to talk about evil, which is a departure from good, actually presumes something that exists that is absolutely good. If there is no God there’s no perfect standard, no absolute right or wrong, and therefore no departure from that standard. So if there is no God, there can’t be any evil, only personal likes and dislikes–what I prefer morally and what I don’t prefer morally.

This is the big problem with moral relativism as a moral point of view when talking about the problem of evil. If morality is ultimately a matter of personal taste–that’s what most people hold nowadays–then it’s just your opinion what’s good or bad, but it might not be my opinion. Everybody has their own view of morality and if it’s just a matter of personal taste–like preferring steak over broccoli or Brussels sprouts–the objection against the existence of God based on evil actually vanishes because the objection depends on the fact that some things are intrinsically evil–that evil isn’t just a matter of my personal taste, my personal definition. But that evil has absolute existence and the problem for most people today is that there is no thing that is absolutely wrong. Premarital sex? If it’s right for you. Abortion? It’s an individual choice. Killing? It depends on the circumstances. Stealing? Not if it’s from a corporation.

The fact is that most people are drowning in a sea of moral relativism. If everything is allowed then nothing is disallowed. Then nothing is wrong. Then nothing is ultimately evil. What I’m saying is that if moral relativism is true, which it seems like most people seem to believe–even those that object against evil in the world, then the talk of objective evil as a philosophical problem is nonsense. To put it another way, if there is no God, then morals are all relative. And if moral relativism is true, then something like true moral evil can’t exist because evil becomes a relative thing.

An excellent illustration of this point comes from the movie The Quarrel . In this movie, a rabbi and a Jewish secularist meet again after the Second World War after they had been separated. They had gotten into a quarrel as young men, separated on bad terms, and then had their village and their family and everything destroyed through the Second World War, both thinking the other was dead. They meet serendipitously in Toronto, Canada in a park and renew their friendship and renew their old quarrel.

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To paraphrase the late Dr. Francis Schaeffer, the person who argues against the existence of God based on the existence of evil in the world has both feet firmly planted in mid-air.

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Rabbi Hersch says to the secularist Jew Chiam, “If a person does not have the Almighty to turn to, if there’s nothing in the universe that’s higher than human beings, then what’s morality? Well, it’s a matter of opinion. I like milk; you like meat. Hitler likes to kill people; I like to save them. Who’s to say which is better? Do you begin to see the horror of this? If there is no Master of the universe then who’s to say that Hitler did anything wrong? If there is no God then the people that murdered your wife and kids did nothing wrong.”

That is a very, very compelling point coming from the rabbi. In other words, to argue against the existence of God based on the existence of evil forces us into saying something like this: Evil exists, therefore there is no God. If there is no God then good and evil are relative and not absolute, so true evil doesn’t exist, contradicting the first point. Simply put, there cannot be a world in which it makes any sense to say that evil is real and at the same time say that God doesn’t exist. If there is no God then nothing is ultimately bad, deplorable, tragic or worthy of blame. The converse, by the way, is also true. This is the other hard part about this, it cuts both ways. Nothing is ultimately good, honorable, noble or worthy of praise. Everything is ultimately lost in a twilight zone of moral nothingness. To paraphrase the late Dr. Francis Schaeffer, the person who argues against the existence of God based on the existence of evil in the world has both feet firmly planted in mid-air.

No, the existence of the problem forces us into some kind of theistic solution. This is a good thing, which brings me to my third point. If atheism is a self-defeating philosophic solution to the problem, and some kind of theism is necessary, then it seems to me that theism is one of the only satisfying pastoral solutions to the problem.

Let’s say for example that you are suffering with some kind of pain and evil in your life and you come to the conclusion that there is no God. What is the solution to the problem of your personal pain? The only solution I can think of is that your personal pain and suffering are meaningless. They are useless. They are helpless. And, in fact, it reminds me of Os Guiness in his fine book The Dust of Death , which has just been re-released, where he makes the point in regards to eastern religion that many eastern religions hold that the world is just an illusion–Hinduism characteristically. He quotes from a poet of the Eastern tradition who had just experienced tremendous tragedy in his life. He went to his avatar to get some comfort from his religious leader after his wife and children had been killed. His religious leader simply said to him in the face of this terrible anguish, “The world is dew.” His point was that it’s all an illusion anyway. The poet went back and he wrote this poem, a simple poem, only four lines : “The world is dew. The world is dew. And yet….And yet….” In other words the religious answer his religious leader was that the evil simply didn’t exist. But he knew personally that it wasn’t dew, that it wasn’t an illusion. It was there. It was real and it was impacting his life. But what comfort was there in that–nothing whatsoever.

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If God wiped out all the evil in the world tonight at midnight, where would you and I be at 12:01?

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If there is no God then there is no answer to the pastoral question of personal suffering and evil . It ‘s not there–your suffering is meaningless. But if there is a God, and if that God is the God of the Bible, then at least we have the potential of an answer. There’s some kind of comfort there. God is ultimately good and just, and one day the accounts will be perfectly balanced. We can place ourselves in the hands of a powerful Creator who, by all other evidence, loves us, cares for us and comforts the afflicted. One Who will not break off a bent reed and Who will not put out a smoldering wick. One Who will hold us close to Himself. There is at least the possibility that this suffering and pain can make sense because God can use it for good in our lives.

We might ask ourselves the question, Why does God put up with this kind of evil in the world? The rapes, the war in Bosnia Hertzegovena, for example? My response is that God puts up with that kind of evil for the same reason he puts up with your evil and with my evil for the time being. I’m not going to try to explain what that reason is now. The point I’m making is that this justice issue cuts both ways.

If God wiped out all the evil in the world tonight at midnight, where would you and I be at 12:01? See, the fact is that God’s going to do a complete job when he finally deals with evil. C.S. Lewis makes the point when he says, “I wonder whether people who ask God to interfere openly and directly in our world quite realize what it will be like when He does….When the author walks on the stage the play is over.”[ 2 ] Evil deeds can never be isolated from the evil doer. Our prints, yours and mine, are on the smoking gun.

What’s curious to me in dealing with this issue is that no one raises the issue of whether one ought to continue to believe in the goodness of man after these kinds of tragedies. We see things like the Holocaust, the crime level, the innocent suffering at the hands of other human beings more often than not, and instead of shaking our fists at humankind who perpetrate the action we shake our fists at God. I don’t get it.

Dennis Prager says, “Whenever I meet someone who claims to find faith in God impossible, but who persists in believing in the essential goodness of humanity, I know that I have met a person for whom evidence is irrelevant.” ( Ultimate Issues , July- September, 1989) I like that. I think that hits the nail on the head.

The last thought I will offer is just another curious one from my perspective as I hear these kinds of responses. We live our lives in rebellion to God, constantly disobeying Him, constantly disregarding him, refusing to live according to His precepts and according to His rules, and then we wonder where He is when things go wrong.

Let that one sink in a little bit.

1 Lewis, Clive Staples, Mere Christianity.
2 ibid.

Is God responsible for evil, many Arkansas Times bloggers say yes!!(Part 1)

Here are some of the thoughts of Arkansas Times bloggers on the subject of God and the source of evil:

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Where does it all come from, the killings, lies, starvation, pestilence?

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Isaiah 45:7

Posted by eLwood on June 1, 2011 at 12:33 PM | Report this comment

Ok, let me get this straight. When churches put up ads, there is no fear from atheist vandals. When Atheists want to put up ads, there’s an overwhelming fear of Religious vandals?
Posted by FatSalmon on June 1, 2011 at 12:45 PM | Report this comment
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It’s not a causal link, but it could shown the mere absence of Christianity doesn’t cause a society to descend into immoral chaos.
Posted by juju2112 on June 1, 2011 at 2:44 PM | Report this comment
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(Here I agree with “juju2112” because I personally knew people like Dr. John George who was a very moral agnostic.)
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Thank you juju2112.Most (all?) conservative denominations maintain that there can be no morality without religion. It is they that maintain there is a direct link between immoral behavior (with murder as my example) and the absence of religious belief.
Posted by Arkie on June 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM | Report this comment

From the atheist perspective, the lies and killings and starvations and pestilence come from man and nature.

Even if there were no religions, you would still have that, and more. Even here, where there is the mix of atheist and liberal christian, I have noted and observed the blood thirsty desire to kill, hang and starve others merely for being or thinking different from this herd.

Posted by Steven E on June 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM | Report this comment
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Let me take on “Steven E” first because he makes some good points.

March 15, 2011

The Problem of Evil is Everyone’s Problem

Japan-tsunami-2011-495x278 The Japan tsunami inevitably raises profound questions about God and evil.  But in this discussion, it is important to realize every worldview, not just Christianity, must explain evil.  Christians are often on the defense with regards to this objection, yet the tables can be turned on the atheist, with his naturalistic worldview in tow.  Given naturalism, what is evil and how does the atheist make sense of it?

Famous British philosopher and atheist Bertrand Russell once commented, “No one can believe in a good God if they’ve sat at the bedside of a dying child.”  Now, I agree that sitting at the bedside of a dying child is a heart-wrenching situation not to be treated simplistically or in a cavalier manner.  Providing pat answers and quoting Romans 8:28 over and over will not suffice.  But what of Russell’s response?  What can the atheist say to the dying child?  Or to the Japanese parents whose child disappeared in the flood waters?

  •  “In the grand scheme of the universe your suffering is utterly meaningless–life and all that comes with it has no transcendent meaning or value.”
  •  “Your suffering is completely pointless since there is no purpose to any of this anyway.”
  •  “Fortunately, you will soon die and return to dust.”
  • “Take heart, you will soon pop out of existence forever and your suffering will be over.”
  • “Stuff like tsunamis just happen.”
  • “Bummer.”

 
Or let’s try the actual words of Russell:

  • “Brief and powerless is Man’s life; on him and all his race the slow, sure dooms falls pitiless and dark.”
  •  “Blind to good and evil…omnipotent matter rolls on its relentless way.”
  • “…no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave…”
  • “…all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system…”
  • “Man’s achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins…”

Hmmm…not too comforting in the face of real tragedy & sorrow. Not only does atheism lack the intellectual resources to account for evil, it also lacks the emotional/psychological resources to bring hope and redemption to a world corrupted by both moral and natural evil.  Russell’s own words certainly clarify the absurdity of life without God.

Make no mistake, the problem of evil is not just a problem for Christianity–it is a problem for all worldviews because evil is fundamental to our human experience.  If any worldview is to be considered plausible it must provide us with the intellectual and existential resources to deal with this issue.

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Candidate #10,Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: Republican Presidential Hopefuls (Part B, Palin talks about her faith)

News on The 700 Club: November 19, 2009 – CBN.com

As seen on Thursday’s “The 700 Club,” the top stories from CBN News include an exclusive interview Sarah Palin, Senate’s HC Bill More Than $849 Billion?, and more… The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN

Below is the first part of the article.

Sarah Palin Goes ‘Rogue’ with CBN News

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. – Sarah Palin’s new book, Going Rogue, is officially in stores and people are lining up to get it.

The book tour began in Grand Rapids, Mich., where CBN News sat down with the former vice presidential candidate for a conversation on one of the book’s main topics — faith.

The chanting started 24 hours before Palin even arrived in Grand Rapids. Within hours, the line ballooned to more than 1,000.

Before the big book signing, Palin spoke with CBN News at Zondervan Publishing, the Christian press company promoting her book.

Click play for an inside look at the excitement amid Palin’s book signing in Grand Rapids, Mich., with CBN News White House Correspondent David Brody.  Part 2 of Brody’s exclusive interview with Palin will air Friday on The 700 Club.  Check local listings or check back with CBNNews.com Friday morning.

So far, the media has focused on the juicy campaign tidbits contained in Going Rogue, but inside you can’t go more than a few pages without reading about God’s influence in her life, whether it be Palin’s miscarriage, Down syndrome son or praying with her daughter Piper before the vice presidential debate.

“How in the world would I sum up my life except to say ‘God, at the end of the day, I have really nothing but my faith, my reliance on you Lord’ and I wanted to articulate that,” Palin said.

A Call to Readers

She wrote about giving her life to the Lord as a little 6-year-old at Bible camp in Alaska.

“Knowing even back then that it is a step that one can take to show the rest of the world that I’m not shy about this,” Palin recalled. “I am going to let the world know that this is my foundation and that this, my reliance is going to be on my faith in God.”

That firm proclamation is found throughout Going Rogue, which actually ends with Palin asking readers to invite God into their lives.

“My very last paragraph there sums it up and invites people, encourages people to do what I did and that’s put their life in God’s hands, our Creator who knows probably better than we know what the perfect path is for a person,” she explained.

“I wasn’t going to be hesitant at all to let people know what I believe,” Palin added.

It’s that tell it like it is talk that has her fans going ga-ga.

“Going Rogue with Sarah” is the theme of the bus tour. Palin’s tour bus is adorned with the slogan and a moose.

Many Still Not Convinced

While she can do no wrong with her supporters, polls show Palin has work to do if she plans to run for president.

The latest numbers show Palin has a 43 percent favorability rating while 53 percent admit they wouldn’t vote for her for president and 60 percent say she’s not qualified.

“[When I see these polls] I think ‘well if I read and believed everything that’s been written about me too I’d say the same thing,'” Palin said. “That’s why I want people to read my book so they can read unfiltered what my values are, what my record is, what my accomplishments are.”


Candidate #10,Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: Republican Presidential Hopefuls (Part A)

 

New York Daily News reported on May 27th:

Sarah Palin, the former GOP vice presidential candidate and Alaska governor, will kick off a "one Nation" bus tour in Washington D.C. over the holiday weekend.

John Walker/AP

Sarah Palin, the former GOP vice presidential candidate and Alaska governor, will kick off a “one Nation” bus tour in Washington D.C. over the holiday weekend.

Sarah Palin is hopping aboard a national bus tour this weekend, and now the big mystery is whether she’s also switching gears for a White House run.

The former Alaska governor’s One Nation road trip is shrouded in secrecy, with her political action committee only revealing that she’ll start in Washington and go up through New England to “educate and energize Americans about our nation’s founding principles.”

Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty shrugged off Palin’s bus tour Friday when asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” if the trip indicated a run for the Oval Office.

“Who knows? I don’t know if she’s running or not,” he said. “We need to quit worrying about polls and bus tours and get onto the issue of how we’re going to fix the country.”

In a telling sign that Palin might not run, Fox News exec Bill Shine said she would continue at the network as a paid contributor for the foreseeable future.

“We are not changing Sarah Palin’s status,” he told the Daily News.

The ‘One Nation’ tour bus (SARAHPAC)

The statement comes after her fellow Fox contributors, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, were suspended in March until they decided whether they’d run for president. (Gingrich has officially announced his candidacy, and Santorum is expected to enter the race next month.)

Fox wants to avoid the conflict of interest of having official GOP candidates on its payroll. The fact that Palin is still employed by Fox has raised doubts at the prospect of her candidacy.

Other skeptics point out that she hasn’t even formed a presidential exploratory committee, and hasn’t been to the early primary states of New Hampshire and Iowa in 2011.

Palin’s bus tour follows a new Gallup Poll showing the former vice presidential candidate just 2 points behind ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

She also has reportedly bought a $1.6 million home in Arizona (which would be a much more convenient campaign base than, say, Alaska), scheduled a number of public appearances, rehired two former aides and recently said she has “the fire in my belly” to run in 2012.

MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell, for one, is skeptical about a Palin run, insisting she has simply “chosen to manipulate press excitement around her,” and is just creating hype for the publicity, like billionaire businessman Donald Trump did.

“The day that it becomes absolutely clear to everyone that doesn’t already get it that Palin will never run for president – on that day, she becomes worth half as much or less as a reality TV star.”

What’s also known about the bus tour is that she’ll kick it off at the Rolling Thunder motorcycle rally that starts at the Pentagon. But Ted Shpak, a director of the group, which brings attention to American troops who fought in wars, said Palin was never invited.

“We’re not political. This is not a political event. Maybe she’s coming because she knows we have half a million people coming,” Shpak told MSNBC. “We’re not endorsing anybody and she’s not speaking on our stage.”

 

 

John Brummett :Are public forums on redistricting a sham without Democratic maps provided? Will there be lots of little Fayetteville Fingers? (Part 24)

Governor Schwarzenegger Pumps GERRYMANDERING on Leno

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on Jay Leno promoting GERRYMANDERING, which will hit theaters later this year.

“An exceptionally entertaining film!” – New York Magazine

“Snappy, engaging…succeeds in holding one’s attention the way a good thriller does. It is cinematic – in the best way – all the way through.” – Screen

http://www.gerrymanderingmovie.com
www.endgerrymandering.com

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John Brummett in his article, “It’s a ‘little-bitty controversy,” Arkansas News Bureau, May 26, 2011 noted:
It is the job of state political party operatives to be ridiculous and to seek to make mindless partisan points out of the most common or routine matter.
The staff at the Arkansas Republican Party’s headquarters is, sure enough, doing its job.
On Tuesday the GOP’s hyperactive public information people issued a news release essentially alleging that Gov. Mike Beebe and Attorney General Dustin McDaniel, being Democrats who will compose two-thirds of the board that must redraw state legislative districts, might very well behave as partisan Democrats in their execution of this constitutional responsibility.
What might be the basis of this … well, I started to say “charge,” but will go instead with “belaboring of the painfully obvious?”
It is that neither Beebe nor McDaniel has released any of the redistricting maps that they surely already have prepared without the courtesy of conferring with the third member… Republican secretary of state, Mark Martin.
It is that Beebe and McDaniel are supposedly making a mockery of the public hearing process now being undertaken by seeking pointless public comments with no plan on the table for any context.The eventual issue here — the one to which I alluded by invoking potential little-bitty Fayetteville Fingers — is whether Beebe and McDaniel can be sufficiently deft and subtle. The Fayetteville Finger was a brazen overreach, the mapping of which revealed its own heavy-handedness.
So let us take a few deep breaths and wait for Beebe and McDaniel to show us what they have in the desk drawer. Brazen overreaching and heavy-handedness — those, if evident, will be cause for Republican whining. Even a left-leaning columnist would agree.
P.S. — If the state is tilting Republican in the way I think, maps will matter less than moods, anyway

John Brummett :Redistricting is controlled by one party and they may try more Fayetteville Fingers, but mood may be more important than lines? (Part 23)

“Gerrymandering” Film Exposes Truth of Redistricting

Bill Plante talks to Jeff Reichert, the writer/director of “Gerrymandering,” a new documentary film that uncovers the way that congressional districts are drawn up.

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In my last post about redistricting, the point was made that State House and Senate redistricting could lead to many little Fayetteville Fingers. However, Brummett makes the point today that mood more than maps will make the difference. Max Brantley agrees. In his blog post, “Brummett to GOP: Take a deep breath,” Arkansas Times Blog, May 26, 2011, Brantley asserted, “Legislative lines are of relatively small importance against prevailing political moods anyway.”

John Brummett in his article, “It’s a ‘little-bitty controversy,” Arkansas News Bureau, May 26, 2011 asserted:

Here is the deal: It is well-understood that the elections for governor, attorney general and secretary of state take on extra importance to the political parties, if not so much the general public, in census-year elections.

That’s because those three people will draw the new state legislative districts. It is because of a common universal understanding that the party with control of this board will exercise that control to protect and enhance its legislative districting position.

In 1981, two young Democrats — Attorney General Steve Clark and Secretary of State Paul Riviere — redrew these districts. The third Apportionment Board member was the governor, who happened to be Republican Frank White, who had upset Bill Clinton.

The late and lovable Frank didn’t much like it that Clark and Riviere did the work themselves without including him at all, but his reaction was one of amused scoffing.

He never put out a news release accusing Clark and Riviere of being Democrats who favored Democrats and Democratic interests.

The eventual issue here — the one to which I alluded by invoking potential little-bitty Fayetteville Fingers — is whether Beebe and McDaniel can be sufficiently deft and subtle. The Fayetteville Finger was a brazen overreach, the mapping of which revealed its own heavy-handedness.

So let us take a few deep breaths and wait for Beebe and McDaniel to show us what they have in the desk drawer. Brazen overreaching and heavy-handedness — those, if evident, will be cause for Republican whining. Even a left-leaning columnist would agree.

P.S. — If the state is tilting Republican in the way I think, maps will matter less than moods, anyway