On September 11, 2001 the junior trip for the Arkansas Baptist High School of Little Rock was at the White House on the front lawn ready to enter the White House at 9:37 am EST when the plane struck the Pentagon just a few miles away. Secret Service ran out of the White House and told all the students to immediately return to the bus. They returned quickly to the bus in a rush because they were told emphatically to leave. While leaving the bus carrying the Arkansas Baptist students went near the Pentagon and they saw the smoke coming out of the building.
I was on my way in Little Rock to make a delivery to UPS plant next to the Little Rock Airport at 8:03 am CST when I heard on the radio about the second crash in the tower. This sent a cold chill up my spine since I realized that the first crash was not an accident but an attack on our country. Then I noticed several minutes later that there were lots of planes landing at the Little Rock Airport.
When I returned to the factory, our plant manager Craig Carney was trying to get in touch with his daughter Michelle who was on the tour of the White House he thought. At this same time we were told by the news media that Flight 93 had been taken over by the terrorists and may be headed for the White House.
Finally Craig got a call from his daughter and she filled him in on all the events. Below is a timeline of those events of 9/11
On September 11, 2001, the world was shocked as thousands were killed in a horrifying series of terrorist attacks in the U.S.
Here is a breakdown of the events as they unfolded ten years ago.
7:59 a.m. (ET)
76 passengers, 11 crew members and five Al Qaeda hijackers take off on American Airlines Flight 11 (Boston to Los Angeles). The flight will be hi-jacked around 8:14 a.m. and re-routed toward Manhattan.
8:14 a.m.
51 passengers, nine crew members, and five hijackers take off on another Los Angeles-bound United Airlines plane, Flight 175 from Boston. This flight will be hi-jacked around 8:45 a.m. and re-routed toward Manhattan.
8:19 a.m.
Aboard Flight 11, flight attendants Betty Ong and Madeline Amy Sweeney alert ground personnel of the hi-jacking.
8:20 a.m.
American Airlines Flight 77 takes off from Washington, D.C.
8:42 a.m.
United Airlines Flight 93 takes off from Newark, N.J.
8:38 a.m.
Air traffic control notifies the military air defense command of a hijacking.
8:43 a.m.
The FAA notified military authorities of a second hijacking
8:46 a.m.
Flight 11 crashes into the World Trade Center’s North Tower, killing everyone on board and hundreds more within the tower.
8:55 a.m.
Flight 77 begins turning east, away from its intended course.
9:03 a.m.
Flight 175 crashes into the WTC’s South Tower, killing everyone on board and hundreds more within the building.
9:37 a.m.
Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, killing the 59 people on board and 125 others in the building.
9:42 a.m.
The FAA grounds all flights over or headed toward the United States.
All international flights headed for the U.S. are redirected to Canada. Transport Canada follows and closes down its airspace. Transport Canada take in diverted U.S.-bound international flights, launching the agency’s “Operation Yellow Ribbon.”
During the procedure, 38 planes will be diverted to Gander, N.L.
9:59 a.m.
The WTC South Tower collapses, killing approximately 600 people.
10:03 a.m.
Flight 93 crashes into a field in Somerset County, near Shanksville, Pa., killing all 40 people on board.
10:15 a.m.
The Pentagon E Ring (the outermost ring of offices) collapses.
10:28 a.m.
The WTC North Tower collapses, killing approximately 1,400 people.
10:43 a.m.
NAV Canada orders a grounding of all flights over Canada.
11:02 a.m.
Lower Manhattan is evacuated.
12:30 p.m.
14 survivors discovered in the WTC North Tower, in stairwell B.
12:28 p.m.
Canadian airspace is closed.
2:54 p.m.
A Korean Air flight lands in Whitehorse – met by armed police – after accidentally signaling a hijacking.
5:20 p.m.
7 World Trade Center (across the street from the twin towers) collapses.
In today’s Arkansas Democrat-Gazette Linda Caillouet wrote:
LITTLE ROCK — When news broke of the death of Dexter Williams over the Labor Day weekend at a Maumelle home visited by then-KARK meteorologist Brett Cummins, most local news media reported details from the police report.
This newspaper, KATV and KTHV reported that police said the body of Williams, a guest with Cummins at Christopher Barbour’s home, was found in a bathroom hot tub with no water Monday morning. Williams was wearing a silver chain “consistent” with a dog collar, the police report said. Police said Barbour found Cummins, 33, asleep in the tub next to the body.
Stories by KTHV and this newspaper said Barbour told police that Cummins and Williams arrived Sunday night and, the police report said, “they then began to drink and use illegal narcotics.”
No charges were filed and no foul play is suspected, but the investigation is ongoing.
How did KARK report it?
“Maumelle Police are investigating a holiday weekend death. It happened early Monday morning at a home at 16 Village Way.
“Police say 24-year-old Dexter Williams was found dead in a hot tub. Police are investigating whether drugs and alcohol played a role.
As of right now, no criminal charges have been filed.
“Our Meteorologist Brett Cummins was at the home at the time of the death and we felt we should share this with our viewers.
“Brett will not be on the air as he is mourning the loss of his friend.
Our thoughts go out to the family and friends of Dexter Williams.”
Quite a different picture than that painted elsewhere, leaving viewers to wonder what was happening before Williams’ death. A holiday barbecue, football-watching party, family reunion?
“Why the sketchy report?” I asked KARK news director Rob Heverling.
“I’m very limited in what I can say. As far as Brett is concerned, this is a personnel matter. We must follow our companyNexstar’s policy,” he said.
“But we felt like it was important to, at the very least, acknowledge that Brett is an employee of ours. It is a story. We know it is a story. And it was important for us to at least cover the story.”
“But did you cover the story?” I asked Heverling.
“Because of our policy, this is all we can say,” he replied after a long pause.
“That is the only way I can answer that question.”
On Friday, Cummins’ attorney told The Associated Press that his client resigned from KARK. Contact Linda Caillouet at (501) 399-3636 or at lcaillouet @arkansasonline.com.
Face the Fire, the ministry started by severely burned 9/11 Pentagon survivor Lt. Col. (Ret.) Brian Birdwell and wife Mel, gives hope and encouragement to burn survivors and their families.Lt. Col. (Ret.) Brian Birdwell was standing about 20 yards away from the spot where American Airlines Flight 77 was deliberately crashed through the outer wall of the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. Though horribly burned, Brian survived; but the weeks and months that followed were filled with excruciating pain,operations and endless therapy sessions. Brian and Mel Birdwell lived with the fear and overwhelming stress and sadness burn patient families must endure. Yet, amid the agony and heart-wrenching circumstances surrounding them, the Birdwells discovered life-sustaining hope and meaning in events that were out of their control. They learned about the ultimate miracle of grace.It was this discovery and the knowledge that God wanted them to use their experience to help others that led them to start Face the Fire Ministries. Through their work with Face the Fire, the Birdwells visit burn units and military hospitals across the country, offering comfort to others who are dealing with burns and severe injuries from combat.It is such an honor to go in and visit survivors and their families. They have exactly the same questions we had, and we know what a difference it can make to hear the truth from someone who has experienced what they are going through.They also want to know the answers to tougher questions like, “Will we ever have a normal life again?” We know what it is like to desperately need someone to talk to who has been through what you are going through. It can be such a lifeline,” the Birdwell’s say.
Brian and Mel Birdwell have visited numerous burn centers across the country including the Timothy Harner Burn Center in Lubbock, Texas; the Jaycee Burn Unit at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill; the Orange County Burn Center in Orlando; the Strong Burn Center in Rochester, New York; Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, the Grossman Burn Center in California, the West Penn Burn Center in Pennsylvania and many others. During the visits, the Birdwells present survivors and their families with a copy of their book, Refined by Fire, and a coin the Birdwells designed and had minted. They also have the privilege visit with the staff members at each unit, which the Birdwell’s describe as “some of the most dedicated professionals you will find anywhere, with one of the toughest jobs in medicine.”
All donations and proceeds received from the book, Refined by Fire, and from speaking engagements go directly to the ministry. The Birdwell’s receive no compensation from the ministry. All funds received are used to help others who are in the midst of a difficult journey.
Face the Fire Ministries has donated to Fisher Houses – facilities similar to Ronald McDonald Houses – on military installations,. These facilities house families who are caring for injured soldiers As well as establshing a fund through the Child Development Center at Fort Sam Houston, which houses Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC), to provide child care for the families of our servicemen and women recovering from their wounds and critical burns.
Face the Fire provides financial assistance to help defray the cost of being displaced from home.
“There aren’t burn units in every hospital, and sometimes it is necessary for families to be hundreds of miles away from home, with no income to support their needs,” Mel says. “Face the Fire helps take care of them while they are caring for their loved one.”
Since its establishment in 2003, Face the Fire has provided over $200,000.00 in assistance to families in need as well. Each year the ministry makes donations to different burn centers for use as they choose to further improve the recovery of their patients.
Face the Fire Ministries already has helped to make life easier for many burn survivors, wounded servicemen and women and their families. Brian and Mel Birdwell continue to provide comfort and support, both mental and financial, “as Christ has comforted us.”
When Deena Burnett Bailey spoke of the last time she heard her late husband’s voice, the rattle of silverware against china, the whispers and the general noise of a luncheon ceased.
Bailey is the widow of Tom E. Burnett, who led resistance efforts on United Flight 93 on Sept. 11, 2001.
PHOTO BY JIM WEBER BUY THIS PHOTO »Deena Burnett Bailey, widow of Tom Burnett who orchestrated the resistance against the terrorists aboard Flight 93, talks during the Salvation Army Women’s Auxiliary’s God Bless America Luncheon on Wednesday at the University of Memphis Holiday Inn.
The story of Burnett’s heroism is still a difficult one to tell, Bailey said, especially so close to the anniversary. But she wants to share it to inspire others, she said.
Bailey is the co-author of “Fighting Back: Living Life Beyond Ourselves,” a book about her husband and the others who took action against the terrorists who held the passengers hostage on Flight 93.
Bailey and former New York City police officer Jim Shepherd spoke Wednesday at a Salvation Army Women’s Auxiliary luncheon.
Bailey, now remarried and living in Little Rock, was living in California on Sept. 11. She was waiting with their three daughters for her husband to return from a business trip.
As Bailey watched the two terrorist-controlled planes collide with the World Trade Center in New York, Burnett called and told her he was on a third plane that had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had “already knifed a guy.” He told her to call the authorities.
Bailey called 911 and was eventually connected with the FBI.
Her husband called again, asking questions about the World Trade Center, and then a third time to tell her passengers were hatching a plan to overtake the plane.
He called one last time to say the passengers were waiting until the plane was over a rural area before moving in on the hijackers. While everyone on the airplane was ultimately killed, no one on the ground was injured when Flight 93 went down.
Now, Burnett is honored as an American hero. Bailey says it’s a word her husband felt was overused. She says he believed in making good choices and making a difference in the lives of others.
“Tom’s last words to me were ‘Do something.’ They ring true for each of us to stand up, fight back, do something,” she said.
For Shepherd, who now lives in Memphis, the fateful day began as he drank coffee at the gym. He saw the first airplane circle but assumed it was out of its flight pattern and looking for an airport.
“At the last moment I thought, ‘Oh my God I hope he misses the buildings,'” Shepherd said.
By the time he reached his precinct, the second plane had hit the South Tower.
Later, rescuers found three stories of the building compacted into a pile only 12 feet high, with easily distinguishable layers of concrete floor, carpet and debris, he said.
Shepherd thanked the Salvation Army, which marched quietly into New York and got to work.
“You really felt like you weren’t alone,” he said. “You had another army behind you to help.”
What started out on Sunday night September 4 as a local story now has grabbed national attention through both CNN and Fox News.
Brett Cummins, 33, is seen in a photo on the website of Little Rock station KARK-TV. Cummins works as a meteorologist for the station.
Police Probe Death of Arkansas Man Found in Bathtub With Local TV Weatherman
Published September 07, 2011
| FoxNews.com
Investigators have not ruled out foul play in the death of a young Arkansas man whose body was discovered in an empty bathtub next to a sleeping TV meteorologist, a police spokesman tells FoxNews.com.
Dexter Williams, 24, of Mountain Pine, Ark., was found dead early Monday inside the bathtub — naked and wearing a silver dog collar-style chain around his neck. The man’s friend, 33-year-old Little Rock weatherman Brett Cummins, was asleep and lying next to him at the home in Maumelle, Ark., according to police. The homeowner, 36-year-old Christopher Barbour, reportedly made the discovery after hearing loud snoring coming from the master bathroom. Dr. Baden on Arkansas Man Found in Bathtub
Investigators have not ruled out foul play Maumelle Police spokesman Lt. Jim Hansard told FoxNews.com that traces of blood were found in the bathtub and that authorities are considering foul play in their investigation. He said police are awaiting the results of an autopsy and toxicology tests conducted Tuesday on Williams. No charges have been filed, though police suspect drugs and alcohol were involved, Hansard said.
“We have not ruled out foul play,” he said. “This is an open investigation.”
At around 8 p.m. on Sunday, Cummins brought Williams over to Barbour’s house, where the three drank and snorted illegal drugs, Barbour reportedly told investigators. He said Cummins and Williams got into the bathtub in his bathroom at around 10 p.m. and continued to drink, according to local press accounts.
Barbour reportedly told police he discovered the pair in the bathroom at around 8 a.m. the next day. He said he shook Cummins, who was snoring, and the two of them then tried to wake up Williams.
Cummins reportedly screamed when he saw William’s discolored face and bolted from the bathroom and vomited on the living room carpet.
KARK-TV in Little Rock, where Cummins works as a weatherman, posted a report of the death on its website on Tuesday. The report said, “Our meteorologist Brett Cummins was at the home at the time of the death and we felt we should share this with our viewers. Brett will not be on the air as he is mourning the loss of his friend. Our thoughts go out to the family and friends of Dexter Williams.”
FoxNews.com’s Cristina Corbin and Newscore contributed to this report.
I have mentioned before that I thought it was sad that KARK ignored the fact that Brett Cummins was snorting coke with the young man, Dexter Williams, on Sunday night and that Williams died as a result. Now at least the other stations in the Little Rock Market have been covering the story. Rival Stations […]
KARK’s website includes these words: Thursday afternoon, Brett Cummins released the following statement to CNN through his attorney: Brett Cummins is devastated by the tragic death of his friend Dexter Williams and extends his sincere condolences to Dexter’s family. They remain foremost in his thoughts and prayers. Mr. Cummins deeply regrets the grief this incident […]
Today’s THV channel 11 in Little Rock reported: MAUMELLE, Ark. (AP) – An attorney for a local meteorologist says no foul play was involved in the death of a 24-year-old Mountain Pine man. Little Rock-based lawyer Mark Hampton said Thursday that KARK meteorologist Brett Cummins is innocent. Authorities say Cummins and the body of 24-year-old […]
Drugs and alcohol have always been a pitfall that many of the wealthy fall into. We see rock bands that become famous have lots of temptations thrown their way and many fall into these traps. Ron “Pigpen” McKernan and Barry McGuire fell into these traps. One joined the “27 Club” and the other left the […]
The recent events in Little Rock concerning KARK TV’s top weatherman Brett Cummins and his experience of drinking alcohol and snorting coke has left a lot of people asking questions. Since the evening ended in the tragic death of one of Brett’s friends, Dexter Williams, many questions have centered on the use of illegal drugs. […]
These are some pictures of Dexter Williams. Unfortunately his life was cut short while drinking and snorting coke with KARK weatherman Brett Cummins. Dexter Williams (Photo from family) Dexter Paul Williams (facebook photo) Related posts: Pictures of Dexter Williams September 7, 2011 – 10:22 pm These are some pictures of Dexter Williams. Unfortunately his life was […]
Youtube video about Brett Cummins story posted. TV weatherman awakens in hot tub next to naked dead man with ‘dog collar’ around his neck after drug and alcohol-fueled party By Thomas Durante Last updated at 7:24 PM on 7th September 2011 It may be part of his job to predict when a storm is […]
Brett Cummins has risen to be the top tv weatherman in the evening at KARK News 4. However, something is missing in his life. (I wish Brett would just take the time to read the story by Marvin A. McMickle | Senior Pastor, Antioch Baptist Church, Cleveland, Ohio at the end of this post). I […]
Brett Cummins and his friends were drinking heavily and taking drugs on Sunday night and all three of them went to sleep under the influence of alcohol and drugs and only 2 of them woke up. This reminds me of a few verses from the Old Testament. (There is hope. Check out the video interviews of Kerry Livgren […]
This is a link to the full police report. (There is hope. Check out the video interviews of Kerry Livgren and Dave Hope of the rock band Kansas. Also check out an excellent paper by Marvin McMickle on the meaning of the song “I can’t get no satisfaction” by the Rolling Stones and where to find the satisfaction.) Dexter […]
When I was 16 I met a young man and fell in love. As I have said on many occasions, Tom was my high school sweetheart. Our relationship blossomed through high school and college.
Tom and I married soon after I graduated from college, just knowing that we would live happily ever after. Tom progressed in the Navy as a Top Gun fighter pilot flying F14’s and I advanced in my own career. We were blessed with two wonderful children and it just got better and better.
Tom and I were Bible study leaders. Our family had much joy, peace and contentment and it flowed into all parts of our lives. Everything was fine. I was a normal woman living a very happy life. I never pictured that our dream would suddenly become a nightmare. I never imagined that our peaceful life would be completely shattered.
On September 11th, Tom gave me a kiss goodbye and left for work. Little did I know that I would never see him again. He was to pilot American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston to Los Angeles that day.
As the horror of that day unfolded, I quickly realized that I needed God more than ever before. I was devastated – searching for answers that didn’t exist – terrified at the prospect that Tom would not be coming home.
As I have spoken with people around the country I have come to realize that while my tragedy was in many ways unique to me, many of the feelings – the hurt, the loss, the anger, concern for my family – are shared by so many others. In fact, I dare say that all of us will, unfortunately, at some time in our lives experience what I call time in the pit – that time when you feel absolutely lost, alone, afraid and devastated. It may result from the loss of a loved one, divorce, issues with children, career problems or any of the hundreds of other life issues that we all deal with.
What do we do with the pain that results from tragedies in our lives? How do we move beyond them? I have learned how to hope again. Drawing daily from the foundation of faith that Tom and I held together, I have found my footing; He has rebuilt my life.
We have all been impacted by September 11th. Security, peace, safety – things we all took for granted – become casualties of that infamous day. Every life endures saddness and loss. But my story is that no matter what you have experienced or what pain you have suffered, God can bring you through the ashes of destruction to the beauty of life.
The Red Arkansas Blog enjoyed our brief respite culminating with the Labor Day holiday where we fondly remembered the days when our elementary school teachers devoted class time to a picture-drawing and letter-writing campaign to members of the local school board and administration as our teachers prepared to go on strike.
After all, using kids to further a political agenda instead of, you know, actually teaching them is a hallmark of teacher’s unions everywhere, and it is among the pantheon of things we celebrate every three-day weekend we get in September.
So it was no surprise to read about elected officials and would-be politicians of the Democratic Party of Arkansasmade sure to pander to the union label at events across Arkansas so that they may one day receive the largesse of organizations like the AFL-CIO, which spent millions of dollars of workers’ dues in Arkansas in 2010 supporting liberal politicians like Bill Halterand Joyce Elliott who, by the way, were unsuccessful.
In fact, in an article appearing in this morning’s Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Ms. Elliott did not equivocate as she declared before a pro-union picnic at the Governor’s Mansion that she was “labor to the core.”
One further wonders is the lefty blogosphere will call out these Democrats in much the same way they called out Secretary of State Mark Martin for letting his staff attend Tea Party functions.
Probably not.
One wonders how Gov. Mike Beebe got on with the labor bosses (if he was even there) since he has expressed concern that the current National Labor Relations Board lawsuit against Boeing Corp. for building a plant (that Arkansas tried to land) in the right-to-work state of South Carolinacould be “detrimental to Arkansas’ economic development efforts.”
Of course, this is the same NLRB action that Attorney General Dustin McDanielrefused to stand against, choosing not to join 16 other states in a legal challenge to the lawsuit and earning admirationfrom the Arkansas head of the AFL-CIO. (Mr. McDaniel was not in Little Rock. He was, instead, at a steel worker event in Texarkana in Rep. Mike Ross’ Fourth Congressional District. Coincidence?)
One must wonder which side Mr. McDaniel would take if the NLRB were to sue in a case involving Arkansas? The Republican Party of Arkansas wonders the same thing:
“If our own Attorney General does not fight this blatant assault on private industry, then what will he do if the NLRB comes down on an industry looking to locate in Arkansas because of our right-to-work law?”
Which leads us to the Mother of all Union Rallies attended by President Barack Obama and his opening act, Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa:
That deafening silence is the looney left and their press corps enablers NOT criticizing these remarks.
So much for that “new tone.”
PARTING SHOT:
We noted in the ADG article that:
“Phynaus Wilson of North Little Rock, a Democrat who worked as an aide to former U.S. Rep. Vic Snyder, used the event as a forum to announce his candidacy for Senate District 34.”
I guess the DPA doesn’t think highly of state Rep. Barry Hyde’s chances against state Rep. Jane English.
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) – An attorney for an Arkansas meteorologist who was found in a hot tub with a dead body earlier this week says his client has resigned.
Little Rock-based lawyer Mark Hampton says TV weatherman Brett Cummins resigned from his job with KARK on Friday.
The TV station’s general manager, Mike Vaughn, confirmed that Cummins no longer worked at the station, but he would not say whether he resigned.
Both Hampton and Vaughn declined to comment further. The TV station has removed Cummins’ biography and photo from its website.
Authorities say Cummins and the body of 24-year-old Dexter Williams were found in a hot tub at a Maumelle home on Monday.
Cummins has not been charged in the incident and his attorney says he is innocent.
Today’s THV channel 11 in Little Rock reported: MAUMELLE, Ark. (AP) – An attorney for a local meteorologist says no foul play was involved in the death of a 24-year-old Mountain Pine man. Little Rock-based lawyer Mark Hampton said Thursday that KARK meteorologist Brett Cummins is innocent. Authorities say Cummins and the body of 24-year-old […]
Drugs and alcohol have always been a pitfall that many of the wealthy fall into. We see rock bands that become famous have lots of temptations thrown their way and many fall into these traps. Ron “Pigpen” McKernan and Barry McGuire fell into these traps. One joined the “27 Club” and the other left the […]
The recent events in Little Rock concerning KARK TV’s top weatherman Brett Cummins and his experience of drinking alcohol and snorting coke has left a lot of people asking questions. Since the evening ended in the tragic death of one of Brett’s friends, Dexter Williams, many questions have centered on the use of illegal drugs. […]
These are some pictures of Dexter Williams. Unfortunately his life was cut short while drinking and snorting coke with KARK weatherman Brett Cummins. Dexter Williams (Photo from family) Dexter Paul Williams (facebook photo) Related posts: Pictures of Dexter Williams September 7, 2011 – 10:22 pm These are some pictures of Dexter Williams. Unfortunately his life was […]
Youtube video about Brett Cummins story posted. TV weatherman awakens in hot tub next to naked dead man with ‘dog collar’ around his neck after drug and alcohol-fueled party By Thomas Durante Last updated at 7:24 PM on 7th September 2011 It may be part of his job to predict when a storm is […]
Brett Cummins has risen to be the top tv weatherman in the evening at KARK News 4. However, something is missing in his life. (I wish Brett would just take the time to read the story by Marvin A. McMickle | Senior Pastor, Antioch Baptist Church, Cleveland, Ohio at the end of this post). I […]
Brett Cummins and his friends were drinking heavily and taking drugs on Sunday night and all three of them went to sleep under the influence of alcohol and drugs and only 2 of them woke up. This reminds me of a few verses from the Old Testament. (There is hope. Check out the video interviews of Kerry Livgren […]
This is a link to the full police report. (There is hope. Check out the video interviews of Kerry Livgren and Dave Hope of the rock band Kansas. Also check out an excellent paper by Marvin McMickle on the meaning of the song “I can’t get no satisfaction” by the Rolling Stones and where to find the satisfaction.) Dexter […]
Details concerning what happened are coming out now. It seems that KARK can no longer ignore the fact that Cummins was snorting coke. (There is hope, check out testimony of one who has been delivered from drugs and alcohol and his name is Marvin.)Here is a Democrat-Gazette article on the incident: Man, 24, found dead in […]
Brett Cummins was snorting coke but you could never tell it from this statement from KARK: KARK-TV anchor Bob Clausen said on the air today, “Our meteorologist Brett Cummins was at the home at the time of the death and we felt we should share this with you our viewers. Brett will not be on […]