Immigration views of Ron Paul and Milton Friedman

Two very wise men below:

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Milton Friedman – Illegal Immigration – PT 1

(1 of 2) Professor Friedman looks at the dynamics of illegal immigration. See part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfU9Fqah-f4 http://Libertypen.com

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Back in 1980 I read the book “Free to Choose” by Milton and Rose Friedman. I noticed that Milton made it clear both in the book and in the film series of the same name that immigration was good for America in the past. However, since the USA changed to a welfare state, we could no longer have a tremendous amount of legal immigration because it was overload the welfare state!!!!

Milton Friedman in a lecture at Stanford asserted:

 “I’ve always been amused by a kind of a paradox. Suppose you go around and ask people: ‘The United States before 1914, as you know, had completely free immigration. Anybody could get in a boat and come to these shores and if landed at Ellis Island he was an immigrant. Was that a good thing or a bad thing?”

You will find that hardly a soul who will say that it was a bad thing. Almost everybody will say it was a good thing. ‘But what about today? Do you think we should have free immigration?’ ‘Oh, no,’ they’ll say, ‘We couldn’t possibly have free immigration today. Why, that would flood us with immigrants from India, and God knows where. We’d be driven down to a bare subsistence level.’

What’s the difference? How can people be so inconsistent? Why is it that free immigration was a good thing before 1914 and free immigration is a bad thing today? Well, there is a sense in which that answer is right. There’s a sense in which free immigration, in the same sense as we had it before 1914 is not possible today. Why not?

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

(For a more full discussion check this out)

I was perplexed at the time that Friedman’s ideology had to take a backseat to the real world that liberals had taken over!!! That is exactly the case here.

Milton Friedman – Illegal Immigration – PT 2

(2 of 2) Professor Friedman fields a question on the dynamics of illegal immigration. http://LibertyPen.com

According to Wikipedia here are Ron Paul’s views on Borders and immigration:

Paul considers it a “boondoggle” for the U.S. to spend much money policing other countries’ borders (such as the IraqSyria border) while leaving its own borders porous and unpatrolled;[32] he argues the U.S.–Mexico border can be crossed by anyone, including potential terrorists.[52] During the Cold War, he supported Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative,[53] intended to replace the “strategic offense” doctrine of mutual assured destruction with strategic defense.

Paul believes illegal aliens take a toll on welfare and Social Security and would end such benefits, concerned that uncontrolled immigration makes the U.S. a magnet for illegal aliens, increases welfare payments, and exacerbates the strain on an already highly unbalanced federal budget.[54]

Paul believes that illegal immigrants should not be given an “unfair advantage” under law.[55] He has advocated for a “coherent immigration policy”, and has spoken strongly against amnesty for illegal aliens because he believes it undermines the rule of law, grants pardons to lawbreakers,[56] and subsidizes more illegal immigration.[57] Paul voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, authorizing an additional 700 miles (1100 kilometers) of double-layered fencing between the U.S. and Mexico mainly because he wanted enforcement of the law and opposed amnesty, not because he supported the construction of a border fence.[58]

Paul believes that mandated hospital emergency treatment for illegal aliens should be ceased and that assistance from charities should instead be sought because there should be no federal mandates on providing health care for illegal aliens.[58]

Paul also believes children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens should not be granted automatic birthright citizenship.[59] He has called for a new Constitutional amendment to revise fourteenth amendment principles and “end automatic birthright citizenship”,[60] and believes that welfare issues are directly tied to the illegal immigration problem.[61]

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  • Dave Francis (@lostintaxes)  On December 23, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    JUDGE THAT BLOCKED SOUTH CAROLINA IMMIGRATION LAW IS OBAMA APPOINTEE.

    It’s difficult to comprehend the deep seated fraud that surrounds us, especially where illegal immigration is concerned. Learning more about it and the collusion that springs from both political parties, is significantly heavily disguised by the Liberal press and other media. Searching the Internet can be difficult, but by turning to “American Patrol” website, the truth and lies are separated in reports, articles and commentary from reliable sources. You will not find extremist University Professors relaying to us, that the economy will grow if we coddle those who broke our sovereign laws. The first real mass amnesty as the 1986 bill was one downright lie, with not just those who are already here, but the millions who will come under the policy of FAMILY UNIFICATION or known more legally as Chain migration. That too became an uncontrollable issue, as eventually we had to support the older family members, as their original sponsors usually failed their obligation.

    BEFORE ARIZONA”S LAW IS INTERPRETED AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR CONSTITUTIONAL, WE MUST HASTEN PASSAGE OF “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE BILL”KNOWN ALSO AS E-VERIFY AND ADDITIONALLY APPLY AN AMENDMENT TO BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP BILL ALSO. THIS WARNING IS TO ALL PATRIOTIC AMERICANS, AS WE WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE ALLOW BOTH LAWS TO CRAWL ALONG AND REMAIN IN LIMBO. THERE IS VERY LITTLE TRUST IN OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM ANYMORE AND THE CONSEQUENCES COULD BE DEVASTATING TO EVERY TAXPAYER. FIRST—IF ANY STATE POLICING LAWS ARE RENDERED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    JUDGEMENT THAT WAS RENDERED ON ARIZONA THIS WEEK WAS AN “OBAMA APPOINTEE” AND WAS SURELY INFLUENCED BY THE LIBERAL AGENDA. THE OUTCOME WILL ATTRACT MILLIONS OF MORE CRIMINALS AND DESTITUTE PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE WORLD. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WILL FURTHER BANKRUPT OUR HOSPITALS, CLOG OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM WITH CHILDREN UNABLE TO COMPREHEND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND CRAMMING EVEN MORE ALIEN CRIMINALS IN PRISON CELLS AND WILL CRIPPLE OUR WELFARE SAFETY NET FOR OUR OLD AND SICK. ANOTHER AMNESTY WILL BE CATASTROPHIC AND THE COST TO TAXPAYERS OF $2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS WILL NEVER HEAL AS ACCORDING TO ANALYST ROBERT RECTOR OF THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

    Sovereignty-minded are up against heavy odds at every turn, as neither party wants to sever their lucrative ties to discount labor for the Democrats—legal or illegal voting. If you haven’t already heard already, the Democrats are trying to force a vote, so no voter—non-citizen has to show any proof, who they really are. Anybody with access to a printer can produce a utility bill or some other authentic looking documents to register or even vote. The days of trust and peoples integrity has passed, so we must have some kind of official picture ID, such as a driver’s license? For the record some idiots we have in local government, namely Massachusetts Mayor John DeStefano has broadcasted that he wants to allow illegal aliens the right to vote in municipal elections? Dear God! Wants next, to become a politician within that state of Massachusetts? Hopefully the voters in New Haven will throw him out, when he comes up for re-election. But a word of Warning, illegal aliens will violate the law in local, state of even the general election. There should be the retribution for all elected officials who try to undermine citizen’s rights. They are all supposedly all Public Servants and that includes the President? Much of this far reaching nonsense has come about from the ultra-lefts political correctness doctrine that has caused a major segregate in the US population.

    One foul little secret the government doesn’t inform us about, is that thousands of Americans annually sharing their Identities with migrants and immigrants and a large portion of individuals are unaware of it. Because of the downright and possible intentional failure to build the real fence and track international passengers the government is encouraging millions more to come here. The Obama administration also rescinded the ‘NO MATCH LETTER’ that demonstrates to citizens and legal immigrants that a law that should be enforced is just dormant. Those foreign nationals who pay taxes are using either stolen or have composed their own number. The Social Security Administration, reports the ‘No Match Letter’ situation and all the employment credits accumulated is held in a vacuum called the ‘Earnings Suspense.’ File. There have been no real studies of who is using the Wrong numbers. Thousands of Americans have fallen into this trap including myself that these SSA mismatches are foreign nationals who have arrived here illegally or overstayed their tourist visa and have now settled here.

    ID Theft is big business–that is racking up dollars for criminal enterprises. I personally didn’t realize my situation, until it came to my attention that three unknown people were working on my number. My observation was somebody had been hired and was working for a Security firm in Houston, TX. I immediately contacted the SSA and was told that they would deal with it. Luckily, no illegal transactions had taken place, but not for the uncounted amounts of average Americans. The SSA does not inform you if somebody is using your SS number, so innocent victims have no idea they are sharing their identity with illegal aliens. This abuse is not even revealed by the 3 credit bureaus, even if the unknown person uses your personal number to get a credit card, mortgage or auto loan. The credit bureaus only use this information automatically to create a new credit file and never alert you to the fact. The ID sufferers remain unacquainted until something is found erroneous, then you are alerted to unpaid bills or the phone starts ringing off the hook from debt collectors. Trying to identify the culprit or producing an explanations for the bank or other creditors is very humiliating and no assistance from the government who caused this problem in the first place. Years of impervious administrations have allowed this problem to drag on, effecting American lives and their access to credit. Of course now there is another billion dollar industry springing up to safeguard our personal SS numbers, which would never surprise me if certain politicians have an investment in this relatively new industry.

    Americans need a official resident ID card to not only to prove who you are, but to vote, to apply for public entitlements, a drivers license, insurance as ID theft is just getting worse? The Democrats, Liberals or the Republicans see any necessity to stop this corruption. The Social Security number is now an unsafe identifier and has been compromised? The Democrats-Liberals and its associated media downplay illegal aliens voting in our elections, but voter fraud is becoming more dominant as was seen in the midterm elections. For the earmark money spent by Congress on some nonsensical programs, every citizens and green card holder could be issued with a permanent ID card. I only found out that some person/persons were using my SS number, when I went to refinance my Jeep. Without access to my credit report, I would have never known.

    It seems to me only the break-away Tea PARTY resembles the party of the American People. They will merge the giant government we are paying for now, reducing it to the outlines of the U.S. Constitution. The TEA PARTY will throw out of office radical career lawmakers, replacing them with physical Conservatives as seen amongst the Republican Party. The TEA PARTY will replace the antediluvian tax code, with a fair substitute and with no more special privileges for wealthy corporations, non-profits and other subsidies that will be reined- in? Many of the oversized agencies of the government will be amalgamated and others returned to state influence. Through new laws such as E-Verify, ‘The Legal Workforce Act’ (H.R.2885.) This will insure illegal workers can no longer be hired by reticent employers. Those business owners, who break the law, could find themselves on the way to prison.

    The Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011 would require Congress to clarify the meaning of the 14th Amendment and thereby ending the practice of automatically granting U.S. citizenship to all U.S.-born children of illegal aliens. Unlike what the Left says it doesn’t need a Constitutional amendment. Lacking an amendment the US taxpayers are the recipients of the law, which allows an estimated 340.000 babies to become instant citizens annually adding to the growing deficit, to support these children and the Mother and the rest of the illegally settled populace; thus obtaining $113 billion dollars a year in taxpayer’s money. According to a Rasmussen Poll, a 65 % majority of the American voters oppose birthright citizenship unless one parent is a citizen? Many illegal nationals are using the lure of “birthright citizenship law,” (also known as “anchor babies”) to avoid U.S. immigration laws and gain permanent residency, if not citizenship. This is a misconception of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that grants U.S. citizenship on those born on American soil, including children of illegal migrants and immigrants. Illegal immigrants are very much aware of the odds, estimated as low that ICE authorities will deport them, if they have a children who are an American citizens (and who as a windfall qualifies for taxpayer-funded welfare benefits). A few months ago the IRS revealed that illegal alien families received a rebate of $4.2 Billion dollars, applying fraudulent applications in child rebates with the bulk of illegal families not even having paid any taxes.

    In 1986 President Reagan granted amnesty to what he thought at the time was only 3 million illegal aliens. Deplorably, there was widespread document fraud and the number of illegal aliens seeking amnesty far exceeded expectations in the end. Afterwards this passionate law, there was no political will to enforce the law against business owners. The 1986 IRCA amnesty dismally failed and in point of fact led to millions of more people entering the United States illegally. Since then there have been underhandedly seven small amnesties, not relayed to the public.

    Today, over 1 million immigrants enter our country legally per year, while the illegal alien population grows by about 500,000 per year that are not apprehended. The border region still remains an anomaly, as Democrats as Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano declare ‘that it’s more secure”. Tell that to the ranchers and land owners along the Southern border. Sometime soon there is going to be a mass carnage on the border, and then only the Democrats will bear the blame? More than ever before we need a military presence as the drug Cartels have moved their elicit business ventures within our nation. The original strength of the fence has been weakened, and no more is it more observable in Arizona. Hundreds of miles remain open to drug criminals and terrorists that is in its self a National Security threat.

    However, these United States does and always has welcomed—LEGAL IMMIGRANTS—and always will. The 50 states also welcome highly skilled workers who are educated in the Sciences, Engineering and technology. These Immigrants will never end up in the welfare lines and taking taxpayer dollars. Nobody has ever communicated that outstanding professionally people, who would be beneficial to America’s businesses not be allowed to immigrate here; we just need an expedited procedure? Nevertheless this country must restrain the poverty from other countries, as we cannot even look after our own people who have insufficient food and thousands who remain homeless.

    Since the public visibility of Arizona fighting to sustain its own legal residents with welfare and subsidiary programs, it has been verbally attacked by the Obama administration and the radical open border special interests. Not stopping there the heavy infiltrated leftist groups in the Dept of IN-Justice has also assaulted the States of Alabama, Georgia, Utah, Indiana and South Carolina to intimidate them into rescinding policing policies by the force of the courts. Not satisfied with the harassment on the sovereignty of these different States, they have now trying to enfeeble highly regarded citizens as Maricopa Sheriff Joe Arpiao, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, Former Congressman Tom Tancredo or anybody that does not conform to their assessment of the immigration laws. None of these policing policies would have been relevant if the US Government had enforced the immigration laws of 1986 and 1974. These are some complicit in America’s downfall is Dept of Justice Eric Holder, who has instituted harsh measures against states trying to financially survive the illegal alien invaders. Minority Speaker Nancy Pelosi who is a typical Liberal hypocrite, who denounces different states on immigration, but is, reported to have grape plantations in Central California and hiring illegal workers; then again we cannot expect more from her, when she used military aircraft to ferry her whole family on vocational trips. Then she has also been caught out on insider trading, where you and I would go to prison. Then we have Senile Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, a haven for a large population of illegal alien. Reid has used his power–time and time again–to table E-Verify that would reduce the millions of illegal aliens in the workplace, giving low income, blue collar legal occupations a chance to fill jobs, which they have a right to have. Go to companies caught using illegal labor by ICE agents and very shortly, once the word hits the streets of the foreigners fleeing or being caught, the lines of lawful labor is waiting to be employed.

    Don’t sit around any longer but contact your Senator and House Representative starting tomorrow at 202-224-3121. Every unenthusiastic politician must be harassed, so this bill that only needs 28 more sponsors can be read and placed in the House for voting upon. Tell them you want them to vote for Lamar Smith’s sponsorship of ‘The Legal Workforce Act’, this will ensure that illegal immigrants cannot be hired anymore, amid ruthless punishment for business that continue to mock this newly revised mandatory law. Start calling Congress because it might be your job on the line, as an estimated 8 million unauthorized workers are filling jobs right now. African Americans are having a terrible time locating good jobs, with national unemployment hovering around 9 percent and black males unemployment surging to a staggering 17.6 percent, followed closely by legal Hispanics at around 13.1%.

    Only NumbersUSA has the truth on illegal immigration and the corruption that is Washington. In itself Washington has made it relatively easy to enter America, as being in America is just a civil offense. But foreign national cannot survive without fraudulent documentation. Illegal immigrants are not “undocumented.” They must use fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake “green cards,” and phony birth certificates. Experts advise that approximately 75 % of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment, which is a—FELONY. Entering American territory is an illegal act and should be clarified as a FELONY, as in Mexico and many industrialized nations. LEARN MORE USING GOOGLE AND TYPING ID THEFT-ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 200,000 total jobs have been added to our economy over the past 12 months. Yet, the federal government imported another 1 million new foreign workers, while Congress stood by and did nothing. As 2011 comes to an end, it’s another year that the feds have turned their backs on unemployed Americans by not making immigration a jobs issue.

    ATTN: Keep pressing for the Keystone Pipeline, with less reliant on foreign countries that hate us and responsible prices for America and 20.000 jobs. Don’t let the environmentalists win this issue as we need a stable economy, unknown the far left who keep on spending.

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