The second annual God Debate features atheist neuroscientist Sam Harris and Evangelical Christian apologist William Lane Craig as they debate the topic: “Is Good From God?” The debate was sponsored in large part by the Notre Dame College of Arts and Letters: The Henkels Lecturer Series, The Center for Philosophy of Religion and the Institute for Scholarship in the Liberal Arts.

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When the famous atheist philosopher Antony Flew became a theist a few years back, the news was met by mixed reactions by Christians.  Some haled it as a good thing; others are not so sure or think possibly it’s not good since he didn’t become a Christian.  One of these skeptics asked me about my opinion the other night.  Why have so many Christians been excited about Flew’s “conversion” since he didn’t become a Christian?

Certainly, mere theism isn’t enough to be reconciled to God through Jesus.  However, I still think it is a good think that Flew has made this move.  First, I think that it shows the power of  good arguments.  When a life-long atheist and world-class intellectual can be persuaded, that showsthat Christians have the rational goods.  God makes sense and relationship with Him doesn’t require sacrificing one’s intellect, which is a stumbling block for some people who have the opposite impression.  Second, theism over atheism is progress because now Flew has a belief and a concept of God that can be shaped and informed to become more accurate and true.

Becoming a Christian is rarely done in one fell swoop of belief and assent.  It usually takes time to consider the information and for the Holy Spirit to work.  We need to be willing to meet people where they are and take the time necessary to introduce them to the God of salvation.

___________ Article from 2005 indicated Antony Flew abandoned atheism because of Law of Biogenesis!!!! Weighing the Evidence An Atheist Abandons Atheism By Chuck Colson|Published Date: January 10, 2005 Antony Flew, the 81-year-old British philosophy professor who taught at Oxford and other leading universities, became an atheist at age 15. Throughout his long career he argued […]

The Christian influence on society is real and that is one of the reasons Antony Flew left Atheism!!! Beggar to Beggar Saved by Increments By Chuck Colson|Published Date: January 11, 2005 A leading intellectual elaborates on why he abandoned atheism. But, surprisingly, he says his reasons were not entirely intellectual. British philosophy professor Dr. Antony […]

In the below comment section David Noebel stated the following: Since writing my article on the origin of life I have read two books that basically make the same point and I will quote briefly from them, but encourage anyone interested in the subject to read both books from cover to cover: (1) John C. […]

___________ The Fine Tuning Argument for the Existence of God from Antony Flew! Imagine entering a hotel room on your next vacation. The CD player on the bedside table is softly playing a track from your favorite recording. The framed print over the bed is identical to the image that hangs over the fireplace at […]

_____________ Mark Oppenheimer of Time Magazine claims Antony Flew was convinced by PSEUDOSCIENCE that God exists!!! Below you will read:  ”There Is a God” is perhaps the handiest primer ever written on the science (many would say pseudoscience) of religious belief. Regis Nicoll does a good job of refuting the claim that Flew was manipulated by […]

________ During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I […]

During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I know […]

________________________________ Discussion (1 of 3): Antony Flew, N.T. Wright, and Gary Habermas Uploaded on Sep 22, 2010 A discussion with Antony Flew, N.T. Wright, and Gary Habermas. This was held at Westminster Chapel March, 2008 ______________________ During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian […]

During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I […]

  Will Science render supernatural answers unnecessary?   ARGUMENT #2: The “gaps” in scientific knowledge have been closing due to scientific discovery. Eventually, supernatural explanations will be rendered unnecessary.       RESPONSE: In one sense, this statement is true. Modern science has been learning more and more about our world over the last several hundred years. […]

The Bible and Science (Part 02)

___________ Article from 2005 indicated Antony Flew abandoned atheism because of Law of Biogenesis!!!! Weighing the Evidence An Atheist Abandons Atheism By Chuck Colson|Published Date: January 10, 2005 Antony Flew, the 81-year-old British philosophy professor who taught at Oxford and other leading universities, became an atheist at age 15. Throughout his long career he argued […]

The Christian influence on society is real and that is one of the reasons Antony Flew left Atheism!!! Beggar to Beggar Saved by Increments By Chuck Colson|Published Date: January 11, 2005 A leading intellectual elaborates on why he abandoned atheism. But, surprisingly, he says his reasons were not entirely intellectual. British philosophy professor Dr. Antony […]

In the below comment section David Noebel stated the following: Since writing my article on the origin of life I have read two books that basically make the same point and I will quote briefly from them, but encourage anyone interested in the subject to read both books from cover to cover: (1) John C. […]

___________ The Fine Tuning Argument for the Existence of God from Antony Flew! Imagine entering a hotel room on your next vacation. The CD player on the bedside table is softly playing a track from your favorite recording. The framed print over the bed is identical to the image that hangs over the fireplace at […]

_____________ Mark Oppenheimer of Time Magazine claims Antony Flew was convinced by PSEUDOSCIENCE that God exists!!! Below you will read:  ”There Is a God” is perhaps the handiest primer ever written on the science (many would say pseudoscience) of religious belief. Regis Nicoll does a good job of refuting the claim that Flew was manipulated by […]

________ During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I […]

During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I know […]

________________________________ Discussion (1 of 3): Antony Flew, N.T. Wright, and Gary Habermas Uploaded on Sep 22, 2010 A discussion with Antony Flew, N.T. Wright, and Gary Habermas. This was held at Westminster Chapel March, 2008 ______________________ During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian […]

During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I […]

  Will Science render supernatural answers unnecessary?   ARGUMENT #2: The “gaps” in scientific knowledge have been closing due to scientific discovery. Eventually, supernatural explanations will be rendered unnecessary.       RESPONSE: In one sense, this statement is true. Modern science has been learning more and more about our world over the last several hundred years. […]

Ricky Gervais tells CNN’s Piers Morgan why he’s an atheist, and why his jokes about God shouldn’t offend believers.

 In 2004, Antony Flew, longtime atheist  philosopher of religion, announced in what was going to be a debate against a theist, that he had changed his mind – and he now believes that there is, in fact, a God. The book first talks about Flew’s past, and what caused him to become an atheist in the first place. He discusses his atheist works, and why he has changed his mind about the things he has written. He has always held that “Follow the evidence, wherever it leads,” coined by Socrates, to be his motto, and he feels that the evidence now available by science points towards a creator.

Flew comments that he received a lot of heat from his fellow atheists after his conversion, many of which stated publicly that the conversion had to do with being ‘senile’ or ‘afraid of death’ (Flew is over 80 years old), or that he wasn’t up to date with the latest abiogenesis research. Flew, however, doesn’t believe any of these are accurate. He still doesn’t believe there is an immortal soul (which is odd, because I think a lot of the best evidence is for an immortal soul). He also holds that no abiogenesis will ever figure out the mystery of life. He elaborates later in his book, explaining that there is more than just the biological factor of life first forming, but rather how consciousness can be developed through naturalistic mechanisms at all, as well as the concept of ‘self’ or ‘I.’ As far as being ‘senile,’ as Richard Dawkins says, I can attest to the fact that his mind seemed to be working just fine in the writing of this book.

I found Flew’s works during his atheist years to be much more impressive than that done by today’s “New Atheist” movement. Atheism, in general, does not have many positive arguments for it, or namely, arguments that show God’s characteristics to be incoherent, or impossible given what we know about the world. Typically, atheism is believing the arguments for theism just are not good enough, or fail in some way. From my observation, Flew did things that the “New Atheists” are not doing, namely, put the ball in the theists court. One of Flew’s contentions is that the attributes of God need to be defined in a coherent way before any debate on his existence could begin. He also argued extensively that the burden of proof lies in the theist’s court, and that atheism should be the default position taken until convinced otherwise. I haven’t read Flew’s work myself, but it seems he did more than the New Atheist writers do by actually placing the theist on his heels, defending his concept of God, instead of simply denying that the arguments for God are good enough.

Flew also spends a good deal of time talking about science and it’s relation to God. He talks about the misrepresentation of Einstein, and how Einstein wanted first and foremost to discover the “Mind of God” with his work. Subsequent scientists, like Max Plank, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, and Paul Dirac have also felt that examining nature allows one to understand the Mind of God. Even Charles Darwin is quoted as saying he deserves to be called a theist (It makes me think of a bumper sticker used by evolutionists that has the word ‘Darwin’ inside of the fish used as the symbol of the Christian Church. If you’re following Darwin, and Darwin followed God, what does this mean about you?) He believes the conflict between science and religion is not actually a conflict, but as Max Plank says, a fight against “skepticism, dogmatism, and unbelief…”

To summarize the factors that brought Flew to belief in God:

1.) How is that we have a set of laws that drives feature-less gases to life, consciousness and intelligence?

2.) Where do the laws of physics come from?

3.) Fine-tuning argument

4.) How did life go live?

5.) Cosmological Argument

(1), (2), (3) Flew feels that the laws of the universe are too fine-tuned to be just taken for granted, and he doesn’t feel any objections fully take a ‘design’ factor out of the equation. First, science rests on the fact that induction is possible, or that we will repeatedly observe the same results – when there isn’t any reason why this would have to be the case. Paul Davis makes two points about this, saying:

– A theory of everything (something proposed to account for the stability of the laws of nature, relating them all to one another) which would show that this is the only logically consistent world is ‘demonstrability wrong.’

– Some maintain the laws of physics are ‘our laws’ and not natures. Davis says this is ‘arrant nonsense,’ these laws really exist, and scientists uncover the laws, not invent them.

So this type of thinking can go in two paths:

– What upholds the laws of nature?

– Why do we have laws of nature that are ‘fine-tuned’ towards life?

When I first heard the fine-tuning argument, I originally thought it was great. I then slowly moved away from it, as I didn’t want to place any faith in a “God of the Gaps” argument. The thing to remember about this argument is that if the universe happened by blind chance, then it would not have ‘catered’ to life in any way. There is no ‘right answer’ for a randomly spawning universe, and even if the laws are interconnected in some way, it would not have to cater and facilitate towards life. So even if the laws are interconnected, somehow, I can’t see how that would necessitate it catering towards life.

The multiverse option, which I’ve talked about before, is excessive. I think the question that sums it up is asking a proponent of it – how many universes are there? The answer is ‘a lot.’ Why is it a lot? Because it needs to balance the odds. That’s really the only purpose behind the multiverse theory –  to get rid of a need for design.

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Discussion (2 of 3): Antony Flew, N.T. Wright, and Gary Habermas

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(A thought – what would happen if multiple universes were discovered, but they all we’re life-permitting?)

(4) Life, unlike non-living things, has an inherent goal, a purpose (This type of thinking is similar to Aristotle with final and formal causes, which I’m reading about now in another book). There are many issues about life, from the concept of self, the mind-body problem, how the first replication of life could occur, why things evolve towards more complex systems, origin of the code that is DNA, how sexual reproduction could have itself evolved. It seems, if I understand Flew correctly, the overwhelming number of issues, some seeminly solvable, some more unreasonable, led flew to the feeling that, as he says, “the only satisfactory explanation for the origin of such ‘end-directed, self-replicating’ life as we see on earth is an infinitely intelligent Mind.”

(5) Flew notes that he always felt at some point, people need to take things as a brute fact. For theists – God is that brute fact. For atheists, the Big Bang, or the universe in general is the ultimate brute fact. However, Flew feels that the Big Bang changes how cosmological arguments are done. Flew feels that no matter how you describe the universe, whether it existed forever, or originating from a point outside of space-time, or else in space but not in time, or having a total energy of zero – theists still will always be able to ask ‘why is there something rather than nothing?’ As Richard Swineburne summarizes, ‘it is very unlikely that a universe would exist uncaused, but rather more likely that God would exist uncaused. Flew feels that this, more vague way of stating things, is the correct way to form a cosmological argument.

Flew ends his book saying that discoveries in science have led him to believe in the existence of an intelligent Mind. Flew ends, saying:

“Some claim to have made contact with this Mind. I have not-yet. But who knows what could happen next? Someday I might hear a Voice that says, “Can you hear me now?”

For Flew, science, the very thing that atheism clings to, in hopes that it will one day rid mankind’s need for the Divine, inevitably led Flew to a belief in God. I think Flew’s story is very motivational, and it’s a great story to read for those struggling with faith, and even for those who are strong in their faith (and by ‘faith’ I mean Aquinas’s usage of the word, not the ‘New Atheist’ usage of the word, of course). Man is very reluctant to admit they made a mistake in their judgement, and the hold of an ideology, for whichever team one plays for, is always a threat. That’s why it’s impressive when people who have obtained so much knowledge are able to overcome any pride involved, and admit the evidence now leads elsewhere.

During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I know […]

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During the 1990′s I actually made it a practice to write famous atheists and scientists that were mentioned by Adrian Rogers and Francis Schaeffer and challenge them with the evidence for the Bible’s historicity and the claims of the gospel. Usually I would send them a cassette tape of Adrian Rogers’ messages “6 reasons I […]

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